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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 10:50PM
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So, where does that article leave those of us who really like D&D 4e?
Exactly where you were 5 minutes ago, before you read this.
Repeat after me.
Essentials is OPTIONAL.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 11:31PM
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So, where does that article leave those of us who really like D&D 4e?
Exactly where you were 5 minutes ago, before you read this.
Repeat after me.
Essentials is OPTIONAL.
So is D&D.
Well... At least we got custom avatars....
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 11:33PM
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I think I like the cut of Mike Mearl's jib.
He has done some good stuff so far with Essentials breathing new life into DnD.
Good job.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 11:34PM
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Sure is. Which is why I demo Munchkin for SJGames, Shadowrun on weekends, and am about to go play some Monday Night Combat.
Options are awesome.
AlexandraErin: If last season was any indication, I think Encounters is pretty much the elemental opposite of "organized" play!
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 11:34PM
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Repeat after me.
Essentials is OPTIONAL.
I think we were not talking about Essentials. But about what will happen next. When a full year of optional Essentials will come to "end". I fear next year will be for optional products for the essential line. Probably the "advanced" line of products.
Well, I'll shut up, now, because I don't mean to launch another thread battle and, again, I do'nt know what the future will be...
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 11:47PM
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Repeat after me.
Essentials is OPTIONAL.
I think we were not talking about Essentials. But about what will happen next. When a full year of optional Essentials will come to "end". I fear next year will be for optional products for the essential line. Probably the "advanced" line of products.
Well, I'll shut up, now, because I don't mean to launch another thread battle and, again, I do'nt know what the future will be...
I felt it put a pretty fine point on the new direction. There is Rob Heinsoo/Andy Collins 4E, which for whatever reason wasn't getting it done, and the errata and Essentials marks the paradigm shift to Mike Mearls 4E. At this point I just hope Mike's love of the nastalgia, and attempts to grab players that WoTC feels 4E initially missed, will produce an incarnation of D&D 4E I can like as well or, optimistically, perhaps better than before. But for sure it is a paradigm shift, undoubtedly.
To Mike Mearls, in response to his closing entreaty to disgruntled fans who were unhappy with 4E; What about fans like myself who were pretty happy with 4E until it started receiving heavy revisions this past year? What about our desires for the direction and "feel" of the game? I can't help but worry that those of us who liked things as they were are going to be casualties to whatever changes you deem necessary going forward in order to recapture that "feel" you are shooting for. Do we have place somewhere within that group of fans to whom you appeal at the end of the article?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 11:49PM
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Repeat after me.
Essentials is OPTIONAL.
I think we were not talking about Essentials. But about what will happen next. When a full year of optional Essentials will come to "end". I fear next year will be for optional products for the essential line. Probably the "advanced" line of products.
Well, I'll shut up, now, because I don't mean to launch another thread battle and, again, I do'nt know what the future will be...
Dragon issue 285, Ampersand column.
"In January, 2011, our new front list products begin rolling out, providing expanded game options and materials for all players. We’re going to continue to use the lessons we learned from Essentials while applying the innovation and design we’re known for.
You’ll see options for players that include new power sources, new class and race options, and even more universal options that work with the material you’re already playing with.
For Dungeon Masters, options will include new campaign elements, new monsters, new tools to help plan and run the game, and more.
These products will include our traditional formats, but you’ll also see new formats as well. There’s exciting things coming for D&D, and we’ll get more and more into this topic as the year progresses."
So there you go. Official.
AlexandraErin: If last season was any indication, I think Encounters is pretty much the elemental opposite of "organized" play!
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3 years ago ::
Sep 14, 2010 - 11:58PM
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And the announced books backs that up, Palmerkun. We've got one Player's Options book, that I think realistically we have to expect to be "Essentials Format" in all regards... and a bunch of other stuff. There's another Monster Vault on the list, and that'll be "Essentials Format", but what's that mean? It means it's called Monster Vault instead of Monster Manual. And it hopefully comes with tokens. Player's Handbook: Heroes of the Championic Tier or whatever it's called... well, there won't be any classes presented in that of either format, and the feats will doubtlessly be informed by the Essentials philosophy (good thing, from what I've seen!), but it'll all be content that plugs into non-Essential characters.
New formats? Ravenloft is going to be "D&D Gamma World" style...
I think the bottom line is that we're in for a varied future. It looks like Dragon Magazine for this month is kind of split between Essentials and non-Essentials content, and I think that'll probably continue.
...and that's the news from Lake 4th Edition, where the Gnomes are strong, the Half-Orcs are good-looking, and all the PCs are above average.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 15, 2010 - 12:04AM
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Hold on, Mike. Since 4E has been released there are so many D&D players here in the Czech republic as never before, and the D8D comunity is still growing.
When there was D&D 3.x I barely knew a few D&D players. Now, I know many of them and new D&D players are still coming. D&D 4E rules are simpler than prior editions' ones, nevertheless more enjoyable.
So, hold on, Mike. I wish you luck. Remember, US market is maybe saturated, but there are still eager players in the far realms in the world, who eagerly waits for new D&D 4E products.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 15, 2010 - 1:01AM
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I just hope that Mike treads carefully when reinstating nostalgic elements into the game to ensure that the good things about old editions shine through without bringing back the worse aspects.
For example, making some martial builds more simple while keeping the caster(mage/warpriest) builds at normal complexity. That's a nostalgic element which, while not to my taste, is not necessarily bad(since I've still got my old martial builds, and really, with how cookie cutter the new builds are, how much new content can you shove in?) . Now, if the new martial builds were strictly inferior, power-wise, to the caster builds after around level 7 or so, that's bringing back the worse aspect. But that doesn't look to be happening, at least not in HotFL.
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