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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:00AM
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The Polearm Gamble feat states "When a nonadjacent enemy enters a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack with a polearm against that enemy, but you grant combat advantage to that enemy until the end of the enemy’s turn."
1) If the enemy shifts into a square adjacent to you, does it provoke the OA from polearm gamble? Shifting normally does not provoke attacks of opportunity, but the feat specifically states that you can make the OA when an enemy "enters" the adjacent square, which would seem to apply to any type of movement.
2) If an enemy is forced into your adjacent square by a push, pull or slide, do you get to make the OA from polearm gamble since its condition is only that the enemy has to "enter" the adjacent square? Again, forced movement normally does not provoke OAs, but does the feat override that rule?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:07AM
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This is a source of considerable dispute, and has already been discussed at length here: community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758...Short answer: Ask your DM, because you won't find consensus here.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:08AM
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Sorry, didnt do a search first. Thanks.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:28AM
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Er...didn't they clarify "entering" a square as not being dependent on the method used to do so? As written, you'd be able to Polearm Gamble someone who teleported next to you.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:34AM
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@Mand12: Do you really want to restart this debate?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:36AM
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Yes? The feat isn't unclear at all. I really don't see what the problem is, and after reading through that thread I agree with the last poster - the feat says exactly what it does.
I'd rather restart a debate than let you claim an incorrect answer is a "agree to disagree" situation.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:51AM
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Er...didn't they clarify "entering" a square as not being dependent on the method used to do so? As written, you'd be able to Polearm Gamble someone who teleported next to you.
Only if the square they teleported from is within your reach. The OA interrupts their movment, so the attack happens when they are in their original square, not the destination square.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:52AM
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Both shifting (and teleporting) and Polearm Gamble are specific rules.
Specific beats general, but which one is specific and which one is general? We have no way to know. Therefore we don't know whether OAs are prevented or allowed. Therefore we don't know whether you get the attack or not.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:55AM
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Very well... 1) If the enemy shifts into a square adjacent to you, does it provoke the OA from polearm gamble? Shifting normally does not provoke attacks of opportunity, but the feat specifically states that you can make the OA when an enemy "enters" the adjacent square, which would seem to apply to any type of movement.
2) If an enemy is forced into your adjacent square by a push, pull or slide, do you get to make the OA from polearm gamble since its condition is only that the enemy has to "enter" the adjacent square? Again, forced movement normally does not provoke OAs, but does the feat override that rule?
Polearm Gamble grants you an additional situation where you may make an opportunity attack (you are using a polearm and an enemy enters an adjacent square).
Because this is an opportunity attack, it is limited by all other restrictions on opportunity attacks -- this means that the enemy does not provoke an attack from you if you are dazed, stunned, can't see the target, etc. The rules for shifting (after the PH3 update), forced movement and teleportation all state that they do not provoke opportunity attacks.
So:
1) No, because shifting does not provoke OAs, and Polearm Gamble does not specifically override the shifting rules.
2) No, because forced movement does not provoke OAs, and Polearm Gamble does not specifically override the forced movement rules.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 09, 2010 - 10:56AM
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Both shifting (and teleporting) and Polearm Gamble are specific rules.
Specific beats general, but which one is specific and which one is general? We have no way to know. Therefore we don't know whether OAs are prevented or allowed. Therefore we don't know whether you get the attack or not.
That's a pretty silly argument. The general rule is that shifting, forced movement, etc do not provoke attacks of opportunity. The specific rule is Polearm Gamble. General rules apply to everyone - anyone who does shifting or forced movement near people use the general rules. The specific rule applies only to people who have the feat Polearm Gamble.
Does anyone actually argue it the other way around?
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