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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:35AM
#201
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Mm. On that wording, the only means of entering a square that will not trigger PG is teleportation - because then, you don't technically enter the square, you appear within it without moving.
Teleporting is a movement.
RC 314 Move: Any instance of movement wether done willingly or not. Wether a creature an object or an effect leaves a square to enter another, it is moving. Shifting, Teleporting and being Pushed, Pulled, or Slid are all exemples of moves.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:35AM
#202
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@plaguescarred
no because the line right after the power listing in opportunity action RC pg 246 says
"Certain types of movement don't provoke opportunity attacks, unless an effect specifies otherwise". Which Polearm Gamble does by not having that limitation.
@thespaceinvader
teleporting is also "moving" RC pg 200 again, "move" definition. The only reason teleporting from 3+ squares away to adjacent would't allow an opportunity attack has been pointed out before. Since the attack is an interrupt of entering the square, you would make the attack on the enemy in the square it is leaving. Since that would be 3+ squares away and not within the reach of your opportunity attack, you couldn't use it.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:36AM
#203
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I consider myself corrected =)
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:36AM
#204
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Good arguments all around, but you all seem to be fixating on the wrong part. The wording of the feat is "When a nonadjacent enemy enters a square adjacent to you".
RC pg 200 "enter a square: Move in to a square on the battle grid by any means, whether willingly or unwillingly."
Far as I can tell that really should be all you need to read to handle the situation. Doesn't matter if the enemy shifts, is pulled or slid, the character will get an opportunity attack. The teleporting when not within reach thing, that's probably the only situation that the person wouldn't get an opportunity attack.
Also by it OA would Trigger off Shift Teleport and Forced Movement:
RC 200 Leaves A Square: Move out of a square by any means, wether willingly or unwillingly.
RC 246 Opportunity Attack Trigger: An enemy that you can see either leaves a square adjacent or uses a ranged or area power while adjacent to you.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:41AM
#205
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o_O are you sure the RC doesn't say 'leaves a square adjacent to you without shifting'? That's the wording of the OA trigger AFAIK.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:42AM
#206
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@plaguescarred
no because the line right after the power listing in opportunity action RC pg 246 says
"Certain types of movement don't provoke opportunity attacks, unless an effect specifies otherwise". Which Polearm Gamble does by not having that limitation.
Fluff and explanations dont make good rule arguments when it come to debating a Power Trigger. These stands because of their respective Rules, which say they don't Trigger Opportunity Actions.
The passage under OA even refer to their respective Pages in the RC. Forced Movement (P. 211), Shifting (P. 249) and Teleporting (P. 213).
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:48AM
#207
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i agree plaguescarred but that next line after the power is the important one for normal opportunity attacks. A polearm gamble attack doesn't have that limitation because the feat's effect doesn't state that shifting or forced movement doesn't trigger it. It just says when a nonadjacent enemy enter's a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack. If you then have to abide by triggering restrictions of an opportunity attack, you wouldn't get one because the trigger for a regular OA hasn't been met.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 5:51AM
#208
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i agree plaguescarred but that next line after the power is the important one for normal opportunity attacks. A polearm gamble attack doesn't have that limitation because the feat's effect doesn't state that shifting or forced movement doesn't trigger it. It just says when a nonadjacent enemy enter's a square adjacent to you, you can make an opportunity attack. If you then have to abide by triggering restrictions of an opportunity attack, you wouldn't get one because the trigger for a regular OA hasn't been met.
No its the contrary, Shifting says it does not Trigger OA unless specified otherwise. Polearm Gamble would need to specify Shift Triggers it or else it is not.
Polearm Gamble unfortunatly doesn't.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 6:28AM
#209
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I thought this thread died  The arguments that have been presented since the 3-month necro are the same that were presented before. One side sees the feat text as overriding the shift/teleport rules, the other side sees the lack of an exception meaning that thte shift/teleport rules stand. There is no right answer as the rules are written right now. It could easily be interpreted either way and there isn't sufficient text to choose one. And I'm sure people will disagree with me, but before you go all ad-hominem step back, take a deep breath, read through the entire thread and consider whether you're actually saying something new.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2010 - 6:29AM
#210
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Yes, it does, because its trigger is the very general "enters a square" which has a specific definition of including any form of movement, including shifting, forced movement, etc. Which is why CS has consistently ruled shifting triggers PG.
Particularly now that "enters a square" is specifically defined in the RC with its own definition, which is information that had to be gleened out of the "move" definition before, it is pretty cut and dry.
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