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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 10:05AM #1
SinisterDexter
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Trying to figure out if a beast companion gets a separate attack from the ranger, or do they set up flanks. MP1, page 39 states:

Using your actions in combat, you control yourbeast companion by issuing it commands (see “Commandinga Beast Companion,” page 41. Page 42 also states:

A beast companion acting independently can takea standard action, a move action, and a minor actionon each of its turns, as a character can.

Can the companion only attack with the Ranger if a specific power says so? Does the ranger sacrifice his move, minor, action to allow the companion to do the same?


Too much contradiction.  Looking for professional assistance.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 10:37AM #2
kitsunegami
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When a ranger takes a move action, his companion can move as well (the same is also true of shamans).


If you want your beast to attack then you must either give it your standard action or use a power that makes your beast attack.  I seem to recall that my wife's ranger has a power that lets her and her panther shift into flanking positions and then they both attack it but it's been about a month since we played that game so I may not be remembering correctly.


Other than "rule of cool", the beast companion seems to be most useful for two things: flanking and quarrying (because you can quarry the nearest visible enemy to either you or your fuzzy buddy).



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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 11:10AM #3
MalakLightfoot
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Sep 6, 2010 -- 10:05AM, SinisterDexter wrote:

Trying to figure out if a beast companion gets a separate attack from the ranger, or do they set up flanks. MP1, page 39 states:

Using your actions in combat, you control yourbeast companion by issuing it commands (see “Commandinga Beast Companion,” page 41. Page 42 also states:

A beast companion acting independently can takea standard action, a move action, and a minor actionon each of its turns, as a character can.

Can the companion only attack with the Ranger if a specific power says so? Does the ranger sacrifice his move, minor, action to allow the companion to do the same?


Too much contradiction.  Looking for professional assistance.




There is no contradiction, you skimmed and put things out of context for yourself. You should have read "Commanding a Beast Companion" before reading "Beast Companion Independant Actions." Do this, and your questions will answer themselves.

When you take a Minor Action, either you or the Beast performs the action. When you take a Move Action, both you and the Beast move (the movement does not need to be the same type or distance), when you take a Standard Action, either you or the Beast performs the action (Some Beastmaster powers allow you and the Beast to both attack as part of the same action). If an enemy would provoke an Opportunity Attack from the Beast, you may have it make an Melee Basic Attack as an Immediate Interrupt (meaning once per round, as opposed to once per creature's turn), this does not affect your own ability to make Opportunity Attacks. The Beast can flank with you and your allies, and benefits from Combat Advantage when an enemy grants it. You can command the Beast, as a Standard Action, to make a Melee Basic Attack or Charge if you are not in position to use another power yourself.

When you are not present or unconscious, the Beast may act independantly, with a full suite of actions.

All of this is to prevent characters that summon or have companions from effectively controlling multiple characters and thereby multiplying their effectiveness.



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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 11:14AM #4
SinisterDexter
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Thanks for the clarity. It will help to diffuse the "grey areas" in the text. Any contradiction wasn't on my part, Malak, I just have 2 rules-lawyers saying different things, and am tired of sitting on the fence. Thanks for your input as well.
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 12:44PM #5
kitsunegami
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Sep 6, 2010 -- 11:14AM, SinisterDexter wrote:

Thanks for the clarity. It will help to diffuse the "grey areas" in the text. Any contradiction wasn't on my part, Malak, I just have 2 rules-lawyers saying different things, and am tired of sitting on the fence. Thanks for your input as well.


Setting the fence on fire tends to get people off of it.  8o)

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 3:57PM #6
Rupert_ADnD
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Is it possible for other classes, like fighter, or rogue to get animal companions, btw?
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 4:34PM #7
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Sep 6, 2010 -- 3:57PM, Rupert_ADnD wrote:

Is it possible for other classes, like fighter, or rogue to get animal companions, btw?


"Beast Companion" is explicitly reserved to Rangers. And only primary Rangers who take "Beast Mastery" as their Fighting Style option, and hybrid Rangers who take it as a Hybrid Talent (and suffer -1 to their beast's attack rolls and defenses).

There are various other options for "pets". A primary, hybrid, or multiclass Shaman has a Spirit Companion. A primary, hybrid, or multiclass of any Arcane class can spend a feat to have a Familiar. Primary, hybrid, or multiclass Wizards, Druids, and a few others have access to powers (mostly dailies) that Summon creatures.

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 4:43PM #8
Darth_Caffeineus
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Sep 6, 2010 -- 3:57PM, Rupert_ADnD wrote:

Is it possible for other classes, like fighter, or rogue to get animal companions, btw?




In addition to to the options that Warr, suggested, Adventures Vault has prices for mounts which function very similar to an animal companion. 

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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 4:46PM #9
Rupert_ADnD
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Fine. So, acording to the official rules, how one defines the diference amongst  "beast companion" and "mount". For example, a horse is considered only mont? But how about a horse that have a special conetion with it´s master, and respond to it´s comands? And a wyvern for example, is it considered a a "beast companion"? or is it a mount? If beast companions are exclusively for Ranger, the fighter is limited (acording to the rules) not to use such things as having a wyvern mount, or a griffon maybe? Acording to Adventurer´s Vault it seems the only diference is that you pay for this types of animals. Thanks in advance
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3 years ago  ::  Sep 06, 2010 - 9:43PM #10
Mad_Jack
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Beast companions aren't normal animals. A ranger's beast companion is a class feature, which gives them a unique animal (chosen from a specific list) with a unique set of stats (different from other normal animals of it's kind) which follows a specific set of rules.
 Mounts are just mounts. Even if you train your horse to bring you the newspaper in the morning, it will never become a beast companion. Anyone with the gold can buy and ride any regular mount, even a wyvern or griffon, that is listed in the Adventurer's Vault. Only a beastmaster ranger can have a beast companion, and cannot use it as a mount because beast companions are all medium-sized and thus too small to ride. (A beastmaster ranger can take a paragon path that will allow them to take a gryphon as a beast companion and ride it.)


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