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Aug 7, 2010 -- 9:46AM, Ignis_Fatuus wrote:

Rereading these posts they seem to be conflicting. It says only common items can be created, it also says only the rare ones cannot be created with rituals, so what about the uncommon ones? Can they be created with rituals or not? I'll see if I can find out...

From NewbieDM:

• Magic items, new stuff.... They will be grouped into common, uncommon, and rare items.
• Pc's wouldn't create rare items via enchant item, for example.
• Seems interesting, gives power back to the dm for magic items.
• Most magic items now in game will be retroactively marked as uncommon. They are now in the hands of dm.

Aug 7, 2010 -- 9:46AM, Ignis_Fatuus wrote:

Rereading these posts they seem to be conflicting. It says only common items can be created, it also says only the rare ones cannot be created with rituals, so what about the uncommon ones? Can they be created with rituals or not? I'll see if I can find out...

I noticed that as well.  My suspicion is that uncommon items can be enchanted by players, since they said that existing items will mostly be classified as uncommon.  If all previously existing items could be made by ritual, then I doubt they would reclassify them into a group that cannot be made by ritual.

Aug 7, 2010 -- 9:35AM, GMforPowergamers wrote:

Aug 7, 2010 -- 9:29AM, Vincitus wrote:

What consumer are they actually going for with these changes, anyway?

me thats who... well people like me.

  most of my group does fine, but one or two always HAVE to have the same items over and over agian... Jon has had 8 charactes 6 with Iron armbands of power 2 with the archer version... I don't put them in my game so he tries to buy them, I tell him he can't he takes rituel caster and makes them...

   now I can say "TRY SOMETHING FING NEW"

In other words you can say, "HAVE LESS FING FUN."  He's using the Iron  Armbands because he likes them, and you want to say, "No, you have to  use something that you don't like instead.  It's more fun that way!"  Is  that about right?

It's also possible that he's using the Iron Armbands because there are  only a handful of Arms slot items that aren't garbage.  My Fighter uses  Iron Armbands of Power.  If they were forbidden (and I didn't drop from  the game because I hate pointless restrictions), I'd use Counterstrike  Guards.  If those were forbidden too, I would... probably not equip  anything for my arms.  There isn't really much else that's worth the  enchantment cost.

That rant aside, I do like the concept of different levels of rarity.  I do think there should be some space for items that exist but to which players don't have access.  Artifacts fill this capacity to some extent, but there should be something between vanilla magic items and artifacts.  However, the term "rare" shouldn't just refer to availability to players.  I think they should be created sparingly, and they should be the exception, not the rule.

Aug 7, 2010 -- 9:05AM, Ignis_Fatuus wrote:

What do you guys and gals think about this?

I think its fine, provided it stays in Essential products.

I don't like the direction of DDE (for lack of a better word); I don't like the apparent impetus behind the game.  Its my intention to overlook the line as much as possible, and continue playing 4e just as I always have.  

Not to say that magic item rarity classification wouldn't work in either game.  I'm sure it would, the games will apparently play well side-by-side.  I just hope that 'crossovers' between DDE and 4e are kept to a minimum. 

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