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Switch to Forum Live View Having trouble with a ranger in my group - advice please
3 years ago  ::  Aug 03, 2010 - 12:10AM #1
Bellaluna221
Date Joined: Aug 3, 2010
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Our party is as follows: Ranger, Fighter/Warlord hybrid (me), Battlemind, Cleric, and Rogue.

The Ranger's stats are ridiculous. He never misses any attacks. About three weeks ago, I created a Deva Shaman.. and the "ranger" was the DM (we take turns) and he killed off my character because he hated it so much. His reasoning was "when would we realistically ever run into a Deva??" 

..Um... i thought this was a FANTASY world? Christ.

He gave me a big lecture saying that playing anything aside from a human or an elf is wrong because it makes the game either too easy, or too unrealistic.

My thoughts are, he loves being the brute. He loves having the most strength, and the biggest attacks. Last week while gaming, he came out and told all of us that the rest of the party could run into the bushes because he could just win the fight without us. 

I'm sick of being told what characters to create, and what's "realistic" for D&D .. I was about to roll a Bullywug.. just because it seemed interesting.. until he started complaining about it. But he wants to turn his Ranger into an Ox because he thinks it'll be cool.

Does anyone have any advice to offer on how to deal with someone like this?
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 03, 2010 - 1:05AM #2
jetshield
Date Joined: Dec 9, 2009
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Your problem isn't with the ranger...it's with the player.

You should really post this in "What's a player to do?" or "What's a DM to do?"

This area is for 4e character developement. Your post doesn't apply.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 03, 2010 - 3:50AM #3
Pashalik_Mons
Date Joined: May 17, 2009
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But let's handle it anyway. 

I'd say first thing, try having a talk with the player.  it is the player that's the problem here.  Tell him he's seriously cramping your fun, and it's not cool.  Maybe remind him that it's a game, and the goal is for everyone to have fun.  If you wanna run a deva or a bullywug, and everyone else is cool with it, he needs to Man Up and stop being a bitch.   You might try being nicer than I am in this post(I am an ass).  If he's not receptive to this kind of thing, you have two basic options.  One is putting up with him.  This has hampered your fun considerably so far, and will probably continue to do so.  The other is to evaluate your group.  Which players share his basic ideas on these problematic matters?  Are most of them thinking, "Wow, this guy is kind of abrasive." or are they thinking, "F your deva."?  If they are thinking he is overboard in his opinions re: race/class choices, talk to them and maybe you could all sit him down and say, "Hey, everyone needs to have fun, let that happen."  if he can't get the idea, maybe you could get him ostracized and kicked out.  Harsh thing to do, but I've done it before, and sometimes if one player's expectations from the game and the group are that incompatible than everyone else's, it's the best thing for the group as a whole.  On the other hand, if most of them think you are silly for wanting to play a deva, and they back him in these matters, maybe you should begin quietly looking for a new group.  Some groups are ok with rampant asshattery, and that's not for everyone.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 05, 2010 - 11:39AM #4
Eyriish
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2008
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I couldn't have said it better myself, Padhalik. I would also add that every race, deva included, has canon fluff for a reason. They do fit in the world of D&D, and its entirely reasonable to think you would see one. 

Just from what you're said above, it sounds like you're dealing with a class 5 douche. If one of my group were to kill my character because they didn't like the race I was playing, I would probably get up and leave. That's not very helpful, but if you were uncertain as to the level of douchebagery going on, its a pretty dangerous amount. 
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 06, 2010 - 7:15AM #5
Gunrak
Date Joined: Apr 6, 2010
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Wow...you put up with a lot more than I do.

I usually deal with dicks (your case here...the guy is a world class dick) early and swiftly.

The moment you tolerate that behavior, they feel it's okay, it's not.  It's never okay.  If they don't want to change there out, simple as that.  Nobody needs someone like that in their life, so kick him out of yours. 

I've personnally punched a guy for being a douchebag at one of my games, but that may be extreme...but snide comments about the wife will get you that when you sit in my house.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 06, 2010 - 8:04AM #6
Alitain
Date Joined: Oct 26, 2008
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As others have said, talk to the dick, though it probably wont do any good.  The other thing is to, at the very least there needs to be an accord when the dick is DM.  If he has issues with races, classes, whatever that needs to me addressed before you guys start making characters.  If he doesn't want people playing anything but humans and elves(and that alone would make me not play in his game), then that's something he should tell you so you don't go making a character that he's just going to kill because he doesn't like.

Kinda curious though as to why he feels everything but human and elf are ridiculous or overpowered.  It's probably just because he doesn't want to be showed up by more interesting race/class combos and it would make him dull and not the front liner.

Then in terms of his ranger that seems to be too good to be true, they probably are.  If your the DM for that game then ask to see his character because you feel something isn't right.  Or tell the DM your suspicions and ask the DM to look into it.  I mean I don't know about other people, but if I suspected a player of cheating on their stats I would ask to see their character and work out everything for myself to double check it.  Even if I was wrong, I'd still do it to make sure and if a DM thought that of my character I wouldn't mind showing them either to clear suspicions.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 06, 2010 - 11:14AM #7
Eyriish
Date Joined: Sep 2, 2008
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Aug 6, 2010 -- 8:04AM, Alitain wrote:


Then in terms of his ranger that seems to be too good to be true, they probably are.  If your the DM for that game then ask to see his character because you feel something isn't right.  Or tell the DM your suspicions and ask the DM to look into it.  I mean I don't know about other people, but if I suspected a player of cheating on their stats I would ask to see their character and work out everything for myself to double check it.  Even if I was wrong, I'd still do it to make sure and if a DM thought that of my character I wouldn't mind showing them either to clear suspicions.




We had a player who used to fudge his rolls A LOT. It got to the point where anytime he would roll a die, he would be snatching it back up almost as quickly as it hit the table. This isn't the same thing that we're discussing, but it has the same effect: The rest of the party feels out-shined. D&D is a team game, plain and simple. If this dick feels the need to break his character, and then go so far as to tell the rest of the party to "go sit on the bench, I got this," then he has no business playing D&D.

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3 years ago  ::  Aug 07, 2010 - 12:30AM #8
Bronski113
Date Joined: Dec 28, 2008
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I'd definitely find out what the other players think about the views this guys holds.  If they think the exact same way then it might be time to find a new group.  If they don't then you should call this guy out on his BS.  Be polite about it but also be firm.

Sadly being straightforward with this guy may not work. 

I'd also want to see his character sheet.  I have players that hit a lot but I also have seen their character sheets and know they aren't cheating with stats. 

I get the feeling that I would truly hate this guy if he were in my game.  If it is ruining your fun then you need to do something about it.  Otherwise you'll just end up hating DnD and that would suck.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 09, 2010 - 1:05AM #9
AdmiralRanger
Date Joined: Jul 14, 2010
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If you have a sypathetic DM you can restart or modify the campain so each class fits in well with the background. Maybe you could go to a area where angels are common because their is a great big portal to the upper planes their.
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3 years ago  ::  Aug 09, 2010 - 6:07PM #10
ScytherLoL
Date Joined: May 27, 2010
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Not to be unkind but why not let him go it by himself. I mean hey he says he has this so send him ahead and let him take the damage. It won't take long for him to realise the importance of a "Team" effort as even a good ranger has their weaknesses and those come out when they are stuck alone.

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