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4 months ago ::
Feb 10, 2013 - 3:41PM
#1371
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I understand what you are saying. What if the players just want to do their "take 20" stealth check in one room in order to sneak up on the next room because they suspect their will be monsters?
When nobody is looking for them, they can try to hide as much as they want.
I assume by your response of "why are you rolling" means that I am correct then in assuming they can hide all they want by themselves, but the "real" stealth check occurs when they are within detection range of the monsters in the next room? ie no taking 20 while far from the next encounter?
Uh, yes? Because once there's a chance that someone might find them, they need to roll.
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4 months ago ::
Feb 10, 2013 - 5:30PM
#1372
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Okay excellent thanks so much! This thread has hugely enhanced my understanding of how stealth works.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 19, 2013 - 1:09PM
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i have a short question about the power chameleon - i got unlucky via search function:
The Trigger of the power is "You are hidden and lose cover or concealment against an enemy". Can i "lose cover" via moving out of cover or concealment, for example towards an enemy to get CA and attack him - with losing my hidden status? Or is "loes cover or concealment" saying that the wall is destroyed or an enemy move forward in line of sight?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 19, 2013 - 2:27PM
#1374
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i have a short question about the power chameleon - i got unlucky via search function:
The Trigger of the power is "You are hidden and lose cover or concealment against an enemy". Can i "lose cover" via moving out of cover or concealment,
Yes. However, Chameleon is an Immediate Action - you can't take it on your own turn.
for example towards an enemy to get CA and attack him - with losing my hidden status? Or is "loes cover or concealment" saying that the wall is destroyed or an enemy move forward in line of sight?
Those work, as would "I am forcibly moved into LOS" or something else. As long as it's not your turn and you haven't used any other Immediate actions this round, you're good.
The "not your turn" thing is a problem, though.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 19, 2013 - 11:18PM
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Did i understand you right that if i decide to move - often i will do this in my turn  - i cannot get any benefit from Chameleon cause of his Immediate actions requirement? So to speak if i want to make my move action towards the enemy, losing my hidden status on the first step out of my cover - i am not stealthed any more -, chameleon doesn't activate and i don't get CA ?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 12:52AM
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Correct.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 2:40AM
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Suddenly Chameleon feels like a real bad choice :/ - The only Example where Chameleon comes in handy is waiting behind a cover/corner and stab someone from behind. are there any other situations Chameleon can shine ?
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3 months ago ::
Feb 20, 2013 - 11:39AM
#1378
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Anytime someone is actively searching for you and you're relying on actual terrain rather than on magical concealment effects. It's aimed more at the 'real world' type of rogue than is actually typical in most games - the only ones who actually try hiding often are the ones who can hide independent of terrain.
Chameleon is there for when people do things like run around the pillar you're hiding behind. You go OHCRAP and then stay hidden. That this is not a common situation in actual play wasn't really taken into account.
It's far more useful in non-combat stealthing situations, actually. Just about anyone with a decent Stealth check may be asked to sneak into someplace out of (or just prior to) combat, and the ability to not get spotted if you get spotted can be a make-or-break moment.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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3 months ago ::
Feb 21, 2013 - 9:26AM
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Is there a way to avoid Blindsight by mid epic tier? I am a Thief and used my Multiclass already for Spiked Chain. I am currently flying to avoid tremorsense but it has been eluded that our campaign may soon be fighting Divine beings who have a fair chance of having Blindsight or Truesight. The DM gave me this warning because Stealth is core to my playstyle and so I have a chance to react to the potential before it happens.
I am a Thief of Legend so I may be able to steal their blindsight from them but it will be up to DM adjudication.
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3 months ago ::
Feb 21, 2013 - 10:44AM
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Not really, no. Thief of Legend at 30 will override all forms of detection, however.
D&D Next = D&D: Quantum Edition
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