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5 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:45AM
#1341
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You're playing it right in that you need concealment or cover from something other than Hidden, in order to maintain Hidden. You're not playing it right in any of the 'standing next to someone removes concealment' stuff. You're conflating the rules for obscured terrain there, I think.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:52AM
#1342
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Oct 12, 2011
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I believe the multiclass rogue has a ability that makes her invisible, which allows you to make a stealth check and become hidden. She also plays mostly melee, so she could technically become invisible, shift one square to end adjecent to an enemy, roll a stealth chech and become hidden.
We say that this is ridiculous since she's standing adjacent to him, breathing in his.. legs (halfling) so he could still feel her and therefor she is not hidden.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 10:56AM
#1343
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Oct 12, 2011
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Different thing: with move 0, you can still make a stealth check if, for example, you stand up. We have had people that at the start of their turn drop prone (free action), then stand up and make a (succesfull) stealth check, and then attack with combat advantage.
Is this allowed?
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5 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 11:19AM
#1344
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Oct 28, 2010
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Dropping Prone is a minor action. Other than that, yes.
And yes, you can hide when you're in the square adjacent to someone. You may find it ridiculous, but that is what the rules state.
Worth bearing in mind that squares are 5ft by 5ft. You could be up to 10ft from someone when you get hidden from them. Also that you're talking about a fluid narrative situation broken down by mechanical necessity into turns and actions. So the rogue isn't discreetly moving out from cover completely visibly, rolling a check and disappearing right in front of the guy's eyes before shanking him (though, you could play it that way if you wanted), he's darting out from cover unnoticed, and stabbing the buy before he's turned round.
Also that the whole point of the Cunning Sneak Rogue is that he's almost supernaturally good at being sneaky. He's the sort of guy who can disappear in broad daylight to moment your back is turned.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 3:53PM
#1345
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Thanks for the clarification  And we seriously played 3 years with dropping prone as a free action... Hmm.. time to read the rules more carefully then.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 13, 2013 - 3:56PM
#1346
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Thanks for the clarification
And we seriously played 3 years with dropping prone as a free action... Hmm.. time to read the rules more carefully then.
Even then, if they've got Superior Cover/Total Concealment, they can spend a move action to "Shift 0" and then roll Stealth when they're done.
If they don't have SC/TC while standing, they need to end a Move or a Move Action *while prone* to roll Stealth.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 4:44PM
#1347
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Thanks for the clarification
And we seriously played 3 years with dropping prone as a free action... Hmm.. time to read the rules more carefully then.
Even then, if they've got Superior Cover/Total Concealment, they can spend a move action to "Shift 0" and then roll Stealth when they're done.
If they don't have SC/TC while standing, they need to end a Move or a Move Action *while prone* to roll Stealth.
Um, what? Even prone, they still need SC/TC to roll a steath check to hide. There is no rule anywhere which says that you can hide while prone without SC/TC....
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5 months ago ::
Jan 14, 2013 - 5:27PM
#1348
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Thanks for the clarification
And we seriously played 3 years with dropping prone as a free action... Hmm.. time to read the rules more carefully then.
Even then, if they've got Superior Cover/Total Concealment, they can spend a move action to "Shift 0" and then roll Stealth when they're done.
If they don't have SC/TC while standing, they need to end a Move or a Move Action *while prone* to roll Stealth.
Um, what? Even prone, they still need SC/TC to roll a steath check to hide. There is no rule anywhere which says that you can hide while prone without SC/TC....
They're dropping prone to get SC/TC, I thought. As in, they have it while Prone, but only normal C/C while standing.
This isn't a general rule, it's a description of a specific situation.
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5 months ago ::
Jan 15, 2013 - 5:11AM
#1349
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Oct 12, 2011
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They dropped prone in order to get up = move action They need the move action to be allowed to make a stealth check. We didn't know about shift 0 etc.
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4 months ago ::
Jan 21, 2013 - 7:04AM
#1350
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Hi, I have a few questions regarding Invisibility & Hidden that have come up during play. INVISIBLE: ( As per the Players Handbook) ✦ You can’t be seen by normal forms of vision. Total Concealment (–5 Penalty to Attack Rolls) ✦ You have combat advantage against any enemy that can’t see you. ✦ You don’t provoke opportunity attacks from enemies that can’t see you.
- Have these benefits been changed or do Invisible creatures still get all of these?
- If one enemy detects where I am, am I still Hidden from the other enemies?
- If I move 2 squares or less do I have to reroll stealth to become hidden again or do I retain hidden?
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