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Jul 5, 2010 -- 10:10PM, Aegeri wrote:

I didn't miss that at all, but what got to me immediately was that they are not just new builds on existing classes they are entire variant classes from the ground up. A class that has no daily powers is a scary and interesting idea. Hopefully it won't have worked out as poorly as psionics did, which is why I use the term "scary" there.

It might be more like Book of 9 Swords from 3.5. All at-will or encounter abilities and different classes had different ways to refresh those encounter abilities.

Edit: I expect them to fix psionics in the errata tomorrow. I doubt we'll be spamming level 1 at-wills with augment 2s throughout epic tier.

Jul 2, 2010 -- 2:38PM, Ranadiel wrote:

Eh, a new version hardly means that you have to jump up .5 in version numbers. I'd say that Essentials is the 4.1 patch if even that high. It will be making some changes to the rules(most of which are already covered in the Errata), but we shouldn't be getting the complete overhaul of several classes and game systems like we saw in 3.5. Heck most of the material we are getting in the Essentials line will actually be new and not reprints from what I understand.

But if you look very carefully to what they wrote in this article: "Commencing Countdown!", the classes have been designed in a way we can still use them but somehow will be different. They classes are designed for the Essential line but are compatible (basically) with 4e core classes aside from Wizrds. So, in a sense it is a 4.5 ya?

Jul 5, 2010 -- 11:46AM, ZaxonDMir wrote:

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Scroll down to Heroes of Shadow. If you read the selling points you will notice it has been dubbed a Players' Option accessory and is part of an expanded line linked to Essentials. The PO is suppose to take the players to the "next level" of the game. Why? I thought that's when the more advanced rules of PHB1-3,DMG1-2, MM1-3 come in. Evidently, not. So, the next level after Essentials is called Players' Option. That's interesting.

WOTC will never admit they are pulling a .5 job because it will go over like a lead balloon.

Why is WOTC spending good money on a watered down version of the 4e rules to bring in a younger crowd? I bet Rob Heinsoo would have loved to have kept his job with this cash they're pushing into Essentials. Besides, I thought one of the big selling points of 4e was it's simple enough for old gamer and young gamer alike?

I'm having a blast with 4e. I haven't been this happy with D&D since my 1e days back in the 80's. However, you don't have be Hamlet to know something is fishy in Denmark.

This is exactly how I feel. I think everyone is being to analytical on this thread, though I do appreciate all the input; it's what I was looking forwhen I posted this. However, the above quote really emphasises the true grit-hard fact, that they did a twist-round-about and are covering it all up with fancy and politically correct verbiage so as not to stir the 'hornets nest' of gamers that would be up in arms about vs4.5 after only 2 1/2 yrs. of 4e's release.

4e was just fine with the way it was done at the beginning, from the core mechanics to the packaging of the minis.

I loved 4e just the way it is and have a grand ol time just like I did back in the 70's and 80's with 1e!

Jul 5, 2010 -- 10:46PM, socksieboy01 wrote:

This is exactly how I feel. I think everyone is being to analytical on this thread, though I do appreciate all the input; it's what I was looking forwhen I posted this. However, the above quote really emphasises the true grit-hard fact, that they did a twist-round-about and are covering it all up with fancy and politically correct verbiage so as not to stir the 'hornets nest' of gamers that would be up in arms about vs4.5 after only 2 1/2 yrs. of 4e's release.

4e was just fine with the way it was done at the beginning, from the core mechanics to the packaging of the minis.

I loved 4e just the way it is and have a grand ol time just like I did back in the 70's and 80's with 1e!

Or maybe they were so specific with their language to avoid people trying to using the meaningless "4.5" buzz term to try and gank them like they did duringing the Edition Wars, and try to smear their attempts to expand the game as a money grab or a design failure. You know. Kind of like what is happening now.

From what we know the Essentials line, it will not change the usability of current material, it will not change the way the game works on any fundamental level. Most people still get their daily powers. All of your old books are still good. At best it just makes a few new ways to play old classes based on improved design philosophy. You know. Like the Power books. Which we've been getting for two years.

Calm down. This is not 4.5. You're all being silly.

At best this is a great new way to work on the game. At worst? Something to be swept under the rug and continue on with all of the toys you have and will get in the future.