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3 years ago ::
Jun 29, 2010 - 10:57PM
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Hey Gamers!
I want to use the classic dragons keep long ass incomprehensible names (ex. Voaraghamanthar). Also I would like to know why the great wyrms keep their bizarre names a secret and go by aliases.
And if I am playing in a world where magic is EXTREMELY rare, why should a dragon even bother keeping a secret name?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 29, 2010 - 11:14PM
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Date Joined:
Apr 12, 2008
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Back when the first Forgotten Realms came out (late 1E), I made a young blue dragon named Arcomanxiohergramin (or Arcomane, for short). That dragon has some of the best staying-power around, as she has gone through 1E, 2E, 3E, and is now very much alive and well in 4E as an Ancient blue dragon who controls a huge area of Icewind Dale.
She had a small cult of followers that started in early 2E (when she reached adulthood) that has now grown to one of the largest dragon-cults in my FR games. She has survived turf wars with red dragons and white dragons, a brief mix-up with a dracolich, an infestation of displaced demons, and dozens of adventuring parties. She had the nerf-bat taken to her pretty severely for 4E (as did all dragons), but she still holds her own and hasn't even come close to being killed yet (well...close is a relative term, isn't it?).
In other words, I have absolutely no good answers for your questions, but felt like sharing a dragon-story for the sake of doing so.
In fond memory of Mark "Wrecan" Monack.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 29, 2010 - 11:18PM
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Methinks Hocus-Smokus is trying to get his post count up to 5k :P
Seriously though, was Arcomanxiohergramin known only to her? Or did she keep it a secret?
Yes, I do regret my Forum Name...Tech N9ne is clearly the best rapper of all time.
I am currently looking to get in on a Real Adventures PbP game. PM me if you are looking for another PC.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 29, 2010 - 11:28PM
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Date Joined:
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Methinks Hocus-Smokus is trying to get his post count up to 5k :P
Seriously though, was Arcomanxiohergramin known only to her? Or did she keep it a secret?
Her cult knew her full name, as did some of her rival dragons. Some people knew it, but got the information from either studying the cult or consulting her rival dragons. I never made it a secret, but the fact that she lived in a fairly isolated area in the far north of Icewind Dale made it so that not many knew her nickname, either.
The only times I used aliases with old-E dragons was when they assumed human(oid) forms and didn't want to be called by the name of a dragon that was probably being hunted. There was never any "magic" to it, so to speak, like the old-E thing about knowing the true name of a devil giving you power over it or anything like that.
In fond memory of Mark "Wrecan" Monack.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 30, 2010 - 7:02AM
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Date Joined:
Jul 12, 2004
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The longer and more arcane (and secret) the name, the less likely a truenamer can successfully pronounce it. Dragons are paranoid and don't like to take chances, even on low-magic worlds.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 30, 2010 - 9:06PM
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I handle dragon names for the same reason that ChrisTheS described: the existence of true names. In my game world, I have it flavored that extremely long-lived species are much more protective about their true name than a shorter lived race like a human would be. Dragons are very much static in a large sense, often remaining the same over the course over hundreds of years. That's not to say that dragons don't change, they can, and do, but it's at a much slower rate. A true name is intrinsically tied to one's sense of self, thus, dragons guard their true names far more vigilantly than other beings do, sense a human's sense of self is constantly changing, even though their name might remain the same.
Basically, what I'm trying to say is, I use names like Jim Butcher does in the Dresden Files series. So all of my dragons have their actual name, which is the usual twenty-letters-or-more, as while as a shortened form of it, or else a nickname or title that they find amusing. This is why I have dragons named Razorthorn and Nalliyatirieldurmielashtar, in the same world (she goes by Nalliya, in common conversation.)
If you're in a low magic world... I suppose you could easily come up with any number of reasons why a dragon would guard their name. Perhaps it's simply a matter of pride; a dragon considers it a grave insult to have their actual name spoken by lesser beasts, so a dragon that isn't known by some title or alias loses prestige, maybe. Maybe it's part of dragon psychology; to have a being's name is to wield some measure of power over it, even in a nonmagical sense, which is something that dragons cannot tolerate. There's a lot you can do with it, really; personally, I'm growing more and more partial to the arrogance aspect, which I might just introduce into my game world now that I think about it. Hmmm.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 30, 2010 - 9:50PM
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Ya I like that a lot Xan.
What I think I will do is have rituals be uber powerful against true names on epic creatures. But since there is hardly any magic the name thing has devolved into an arrogance thing combined with a security mentality.
Yes, I do regret my Forum Name...Tech N9ne is clearly the best rapper of all time.
I am currently looking to get in on a Real Adventures PbP game. PM me if you are looking for another PC.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 30, 2010 - 9:55PM
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to borrow from terry pratchett on vampires: they get bored. If you live for a few hundred years, eating maidens, roasting knights, sitting on piles of gold, you would make your name longer too.
My other theory about long dragon names is it designates how senior they are (dont remember what book this is from, but it is from one). When you are born you get a one syllable name. The next milestone you reach (no longer a hatchling) gains you another syllable, and so on. The ones powerful enough that we have heard of them are already very wise and old, and so have long names. They understand mortal races find their names... difficut and so shorten them for ease.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:44PM
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Date Joined:
Oct 12, 2009
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Yeah, there used to be a True Name thing, but it never really made any sense and felt tacked on. Back in AD&D the biggest, baddest dragon (Ancient Huge Red) would get spanked pretty hard, and subdued by a solo 10th level (or less) fighter or a party of 7th level characters. But they were paranoid about an 18th level mage that could turn them to dust with a wink and a nod would know their true name. Right.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 30, 2010 - 10:47PM
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Well I only started D&D in 4e. I have only heard tails of the old days.
Yes, I do regret my Forum Name...Tech N9ne is clearly the best rapper of all time.
I am currently looking to get in on a Real Adventures PbP game. PM me if you are looking for another PC.
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