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Jun 25, 2010 - 10:08AM
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Good point. I have noticed playing leaders almost the opposite. They have lots of ways to give allies extra movement options and to remove conditions on them. They are generally pretty bad at moving themselves out of trouble or removing conditions from themselves. Shamans for instance have lots of ways to grant allies saves, but (I am pretty sure) no ways to grant themselves a save.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 25, 2010 - 10:52AM
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Minor Controller
Most Polearm Builds for fighters and wardens
Don't forget the Paladins.
There are even Sword Mage, Avenger and Warlord builds.
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Jun 25, 2010 - 11:53AM
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I would put down valbards and staff of defense wizards as secondary defenders, but not swarm druids since the HAE nerf. Also wrathful invoker as secondary striker and preserving invoker as secondary leader.
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Jun 25, 2010 - 12:01PM
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We ignored the HAE errata in our group for our swarm druid. At lower levels at least can they still perform the job decently? Would you give them a different minor or no minor?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 25, 2010 - 1:01PM
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Would a tempest fighter be considered a defender with a minor in striker? The build sacrifices damage avoidance and mitigation for mobility and damage output.
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Jun 25, 2010 - 9:11PM
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We ignored the HAE errata in our group for our swarm druid. At lower levels at least can they still perform the job decently? Would you give them a different minor or no minor?
If I was attempting to make a strong party I would kill the Druid, and have them reroll.
They can do it decently in Heroic, eh in Paragon, and get owned severely at epic.
Also Rogues should have a minor in Controller. Stun/Daze/Blind/etc are super common Rogue abilities, and most of the abilities that do something like that (Dazing Strike, Blinding Barrage, Stunning Strike) are all sky-blue in the Rogue guide.
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Jun 25, 2010 - 9:17PM
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Other minors
Striker
Crippling Crush Warden
Defender
Pathfinder (LDBs new melee TWF Ranger, beastly)
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Jun 25, 2010 - 10:15PM
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Minor in Controller: Cunning and Prescient Bards, definitely.
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Jun 25, 2010 - 11:41PM
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We ignored the HAE errata in our group for our swarm druid. At lower levels at least can they still perform the job decently? Would you give them a different minor or no minor?
If I was attempting to make a strong party I would kill the Druid, and have them reroll.
They can do it decently in Heroic, eh in Paragon, and get owned severely at epic.
Also Rogues should have a minor in Controller. Stun/Daze/Blind/etc are super common Rogue abilities, and most of the abilities that do something like that (Dazing Strike, Blinding Barrage, Stunning Strike) are all sky-blue in the Rogue guide.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 25, 2010 - 11:52PM
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Minor in Controller: Cunning and Prescient Bards, definitely.
All Bards minor in controller, as many of the best Bard powers have control type effects. Besides, Bards have the easiest time stealing and using powers from other classes.
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