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1 year ago ::
Dec 03, 2011 - 8:51PM
#1291
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Date Joined:
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This has probably been answered before, but I cannot find it.
how does lasting frost/winter touched work with the burst or blast powers of the monk?
does it work for everyone hit in burst or blast or just the first person?
Thank you!
It works like with all other classes, namely any attack you do, on any creature (including allies, if the power targets them). It does not matter if you're a fighter with an ice sword, or a wizard with a frost staff, that converts all his fire balls and lightning bolts into frost balls and frost bolts.
The only monk specific thing about htis is, that he could already exploit vuln 5 cold with his FoB, during the turn he first hits one or more targets. Other classes must either wait one turn for this, spend an AP or have some minor action attack powers.
Actually Lasting Frost only affects the first target you hit each turn, so it doesn't work all that well with bursts and blasts.
Getting cold on FoB is tough, since it lacks the weapon keyword you can't use most of the standard methods.
rjsilverthorn is right on both points.
Lasting Frost was errataed to only the first target.
FoB lacks all keywords, so Frost weapon does not change the damage.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 04, 2011 - 9:35AM
#1292
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Date Joined:
Sep 25, 2007
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So not an optimal way for a monk to go. Thanks for all the help. much appreciated. 
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1 year ago ::
Dec 04, 2011 - 9:55AM
#1293
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Date Joined:
Oct 12, 2010
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So not an optimal way for a monk to go.
Thanks for all the help.
much appreciated.
Well, you could blow your MC and PP on Malec-Keth Janissary to add 1d4 cold damage to all attacks. Since FoB is now an attack you can do it. Still very, very far from optimal though.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 04, 2011 - 10:04AM
#1294
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Date Joined:
Feb 26, 2006
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So not an optimal way for a monk to go.
Thanks for all the help.
much appreciated.
Well, you could blow your MC and PP on Malec-Keth Janissary to add 1d4 cold damage to all attacks. Since FoB is now an attack you can do it. Still very, very far from optimal though.
Alternately you can MC Barb and take the Winter Fury PP which would let you make all your untyped damage into cold. Not a terrible option for a stone fist build.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 04, 2011 - 10:15AM
#1295
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Date Joined:
Oct 12, 2010
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I hadn't thought of Winter Fury, obviously. That is much better.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 04, 2011 - 6:13PM
#1296
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Date Joined:
Oct 25, 2007
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So not an optimal way for a monk to go.
Thanks for all the help.
much appreciated.
Well, you could blow your MC and PP on Malec-Keth Janissary to add 1d4 cold damage to all attacks. Since FoB is now an attack you can do it. Still very, very far from optimal though.
Yeah, if you're Malex-Keth, you're better off by far with thunder. Just to be clear, malec-keth is very strong for monks.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 04, 2011 - 9:34PM
#1297
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Date Joined:
Sep 25, 2007
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Now I am confused. Is that not a Swordmage Paragon path?
Since Frost cheese is not optimal for a monk since the rules update, what is?
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1 year ago ::
Dec 04, 2011 - 10:03PM
#1298
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Now I am confused. Is that not a Swordmage Paragon path?
Since Frost cheese is not optimal for a monk since the rules update, what is?
1) Yes. But it allows you to add elemental damage to everything. Such as frost damage to flurry of blows, or thunder to five storms.
2) Frost is still large source of damage, since you can double tap with flurry. Thunder makes your bursts (five storms) bigger, and allows mark of storms for more control. Not sure if one is really "better".
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1 year ago ::
Dec 05, 2011 - 3:37PM
#1299
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Date Joined:
Dec 11, 2007
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FoB is such a confusing feature (Despite how much I love it)...
Okay, at risk of rekindling something already adressed, I'm still having issues with how FoB interacts with attack enhancing stuff.
Scenario: Off-hand sickle, augmented with the Eberron Shard of Bleeding Wounds. I make an attack, and then use Slashing Kama Style to deal ongoing damage instead of normal damage via FoB. Does the ongoing damage get increased by 2 thanks to the Bleeding Wounds? Even if FoB is counted as an attack, it's unclear to me what weapon is actually counted as doing the attack, if any.
Wording on the shard: "Whenever an attack with the augmented weapon deals ongoing damage to a creature, increase that damage by 2". RAI, you could argue that since the sickle is specifically doing that part of FoB, the shard applies, but RAW it's unclear.
2pp for your thoughts?
If this works, it'd be a neat little addition to those kama monks.
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1 year ago ::
Dec 05, 2011 - 3:40PM
#1300
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Date Joined:
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FoB is such a confusing feature (Despite how much I love it)...
Okay, at risk of rekindling something already adressed, I'm still having issues with how FoB interacts with attack enhancing stuff.
Scenario: Off-hand sickle, augmented with the Eberron Shard of Bleeding Wounds. I make an attack, and then use Slashing Kama Style to deal ongoing damage instead of normal damage via FoB. Does the ongoing damage get increased by 2 thanks to the Bleeding Wounds? Even if FoB is counted as an attack, it's unclear to me what weapon is actually counted as doing the attack, if any.
Wording on the shard: "Whenever an attack with the augmented weapon deals ongoing damage to a creature, increase that damage by 2". RAI, you could argue that since the sickle is specifically doing that part of FoB, the shard applies, but RAW it's unclear.
2pp for your thoughts?
If this works, it'd be a neat little addition to those kama monks.
Unfortunatrely, RAW, weapons/implements are only used in attacks with the weapon/implement keyword. Despite the fluff of the feat implying the use of the kama, mechanically the kama is not used at all by the FoB power.
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