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3 years ago ::
Jun 24, 2010 - 3:38PM
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Hi all, i just got here from the sorcerer forum¹.
I have a question about resistances.
I am a dragon sorcerer that chose fire to my Dragon Soul.
If i ignore up to 15 fire resistance, and i use a fire damage poder to hit a goliath with resistance 10 to all damage, what is the outcome?
He resists 10. You only ignore FIRE resistance. "ALL" is not "FIRE", so ignoring "FIRE" does not ignore "ALL".
I just read the topic, and it seems that it is not a consensus.
There are several people who are still wrong, yes.
I like to think that if someone is resisting my fire attack it is because he has fire resistance. It does not matter if he can resist anything, he also has fire resistance or otherwise my attack would do full damage. By having fire resistance, i can bypass it with my Dragon Soul.
Not correct. He does not have Resist Fire, which is the only thing Dragon Soul affects. He has Resist All.
Cant Resist 10 "all" be interpretaded as having resist 10 of each damage that exists?
No. For reasons that have been demonstrated repeatedly in this thread alone "Resist 10 to each possible damage type" would create VERY different results from "Resist 10 All", and therefore they are not, at all, the same time.
It is not clear on the rules.
It is very clear in the rules that "Resist X All" and "Resist X To Every Damage Type" are not the same thing and do not produce the same results.
It is also very clear in the rules that rules only do what they say they do, and so a power that lets you bypass Resist Fire *only* lets you bypass Resist Fire. Anything else that reduces your damage, be it Resist All, Resist Half Damage From Melee And Ranged Attacks, Resist 25 Critical Hits, Resist 10 Arcane Powers On Tuesday, or whatever, is not affected by something that only affects Resist Fire.
Also, there is no one in the game that deals "all" damage.
Incorrect. All damage is "All" damage.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 24, 2010 - 3:43PM
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I just read the topic, and it seems that it is not a consensus.
You see correctly. You or your DM will have to decide what they think makes the most sense. The discussion here should give you enough ideas to work from.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 24, 2010 - 4:00PM
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I just read the topic, and it seems that it is not a consensus.
You see correctly. You or your DM will have to decide what they think makes the most sense. The discussion here should give you enough ideas to work from.
If a creature had a trait like "Immune to all damage", such as the Collossus Of Laarn or a creature that's trapped in magical stasis until released, etc, would a Lightning Fury be able to damage it anyway?
Lightning Fury, after all, lets you treat Lightning Immunity as Resist Halflevel Lightning.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 24, 2010 - 4:35PM
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I just read the topic, and it seems that it is not a consensus.
You see correctly. You or your DM will have to decide what they think makes the most sense. The discussion here should give you enough ideas to work from.
The majority of my groups agreed with LordOfWeasels, we will probaly go that way. I think that even if he is right, I still dont like the way it works. Would be much better in my opinion if resist "all" was like having resist 10 of each damage.
On another topic,
How would vulnerability 10 fire stacks with vulnerability 10 all (Remorse, cleric lvl 13, DP)?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 24, 2010 - 4:42PM
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On another topic,
How would vulnerability 10 fire stacks with vulnerability 10 all (Remorse, cleric lvl 13, DP)?
The same way as resistance.
They'd take 10 points extra damage. If they had vulnerable 10 fire and vulnerable 5 all, if you hit them with a fire power, they'd take 10 points extra damage as well.
For any single-typed damage attack, only the biggest relevant resistance or vulnerability applies.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 24, 2010 - 4:46PM
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And yes you can attack with ALL damage. Since you can give vulnerability to All dmg.
I agree with LordOfWeasels.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 24, 2010 - 5:25PM
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Resist all as a special snowflake of a resist does seem to produce the most reasonable outcomes but some of the rationale in this thread for why seem far-fetched.
"At a certain point, one simply has to accept that some folks will see what they want to see..." Dragon 387
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3 years ago ::
Jun 25, 2010 - 12:12AM
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People keep saying that the rules don't say resist all says it includes resist cold, fire, etc, etc. I agree with this. But what the rules DO say is that resistance works against a specific damage TYPE. ALL is not a damage type. Damage types are listed ( and to my knowledge not been changed ) in the reading a power section of the PHB.
Take a look at the Stone Band and get back to me, will you?
After looking at the Stone Band like you asked, all I can say is that it is improperly worded also because Critical Hits is not a damage type. I'm not sure what conclusion you expected me to come to though. The intent is clear though, and i my eyes it simply doesn't follow the rules.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 25, 2010 - 12:51AM
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On another topic,
How would vulnerability 10 fire stacks with vulnerability 10 all (Remorse, cleric lvl 13, DP)?
The same way as resistance.
They'd take 10 points extra damage. If they had vulnerable 10 fire and vulnerable 5 all, if you hit them with a fire power, they'd take 10 points extra damage as well.
For any single-typed damage attack, only the biggest relevant resistance or vulnerability applies.
1. If i attack an enemy with a that has two different vulnerabilities to ice and radiant (like vuln 5 cold and vuln 5 radiant) and the attacks deals 10 radiant and cold damage, do i do 15 or 20 damage total?
2. Can a craeature have a single vulnerability against several types? Like vuln 5 ice AND radiant (NOT vuln 5 cold and vuln 5 radiant)? So would an attack deals 10 radiant and cold damage, do 15 or 20 damage total in this case?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 25, 2010 - 4:40AM
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After reading the example of Resist All as the sum of all Resist X and what would result in the case of a multi-type damage attack, I retract my point.
VHM would not work with resist all.
And I agree that WotC could errata these "ignore resistance" feats (if RAI is that VHM should work with resist all) to say "The poison damage your attack deals ignores any kind of resistance)
It makes much clear if one thinks "Would VHM work against Resist 10 melee damage?"(my answer is no)
cheers
Nakajima
cheers
Nakajima
"Not all beholders are evil. It depends on the number of eyes. So always be sure to count them before attacking one."
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