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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 3:50PM
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Hi, I had a question regarding Venom Hand Master (feat) - Your attacks ignore poison resistance and poison immunity.
I was wondering if Resist All counts as it's own resistance, or if it's just shorthand for saying (Resist Poison, Fire, Ice, Psychic, etc.) The reason I ask would probably be best explained in the given situation:
I have an Assassin with Venom Hand Master and a Spider-kissed Spiked Chain +4. He strikes a creature with the Spiked Chain (with the poison-damage effect active) that has Resist All 5. Due to the way Venom Hand Master works, would the creature still Resist 5 off the damage, or does Venom Hand Master take precedent?
Edit: Copied the exact text from the VHM feat.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 3:57PM
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Resist All is different from Resist Poison. The creature would take reduced damage.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 4:26PM
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I agree, otherwise you would get something like "Your attacks with the Poison Keyword ignores all resistances and immunities." I think there's stuff like that floating around.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 8:31PM
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Resist All is different from Resist Poison. The creature would take reduced damage.
Ok, and what book does this rule appear in exactly?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 14, 2010 - 9:12PM
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Resist All is different from Resist Poison. The creature would take reduced damage.
Ok, and what book does this rule appear in exactly?
Venom Hand Master says you ignore Resist Poison and Immune To Poison. "Resist All" is not "Resist Poison", because "All" is not "Poison".
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3 years ago ::
Jun 16, 2010 - 4:18AM
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On another hand, not because you can Resist 5 for All damage type that one of them included in the All would be resisted if you have a way to bypass such resistance.
Vulnerable 5 ALL would mean that dealing 5 Poison would not deal an extra 5 damage because a 5 Vulnerable 5 ALL is not a Vulnerable 5 Poison because ALL is not Poison. Non-sense here.
ALL is not a type of damage and only Resist if meaning every single damage type is referred by it inclusively. Poison included.
So Is Resist All a Resistance to Poison ? Yes, among other things. If you have for exemple a Resist 5 All and Resist 10 Poison, would you Resist 10 or 15 Poison damage ? I'd say 10 by only taking the highest value.
You need to Resist all the damage type to fully Resist a damage source, but that doesn't mean you need all type of damage type in order to ignore a Resist All. Does it Resist any Poison damage with Resist All ? Yes. Then it doesn't with VHM.
He'd ignore the creature's Resistance portion from Poison included in his Resist 5 All.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Jun 16, 2010 - 7:16AM
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Vulnerable 5 ALL would mean that dealing 5 Poison would not deal an extra 5 damage because a 5 Vulnerable 5 ALL is not a Vulnerable 5 Poison because ALL is not Poison. Non-sense here.
You are correct. That is nonsense. Vulnerable 5 to all damage would trigger from any kind of damage.
However, VHM ignores poison resistance. Resist All is not Posion Resistance, it is Resist All.
You are basically saying that because it ignores Poison Resist, it should ignore any Resist that reduces Poison damage. However, that is not the case. Poison Resistance is a specific, named thing. VHM only ignores that specific, named thing (well, and the other specific thing named Poison Immunity).
An exclusive club named "Poison" won't let men in unless they're wealthy. Bob is not wealthy. He cannot get into Poison. However, one day, Bob meets the owner of Poison. They become friends. Bob can now ignore Poison's rule about being wealthy, because he knows the owner.
Another exclusive club named "All" won't let men in, period. Bob is a man. He cannot get into All. Bob still knows the owner of Poison, but it doesn't make a difference here, because All is not Poison.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 16, 2010 - 7:20AM
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Resist all is not the same as poison resistance. Your feat does nothing to resist all.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 16, 2010 - 7:29AM
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"Resist All" is not "Resist Poison", because "All" is not "Poison".
Ok, and what book does this rule appear in exactly?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 16, 2010 - 7:35AM
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So you guys say Resist 5 All is not a Poison Resistance, among other things ? Then how does it manage to reduce damage from that type ? By Resisting it effectively.
Resist 5 All = Resist 5 Fire, Resist 5 Cold, Resist 5 Acid , Resist 5 Poison, etc...That's where the All come from. It's not an absolute value, it's an inclusive one, including every existing damage type. It was there to save space i'd imagine.
So Resist 5 All and Resist 10 Poison would Resist 15 vs Poison ? I don't know i don't think so.
Resist All is a Poison Resistance. If it Resist it, it's a Resistance against it, among other things, you guys seem to pick on the wording and not thinking outside the box.
Why Resist All reduce Poison damage exactly ?
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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