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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:04AM
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Certainly some people enjoy 'fishing'  , I'm just amazed that there's concern that the CB costs money. Of course it costs money. Everything costs money. A 20 oz. bottle of water for breakfast costs me $1.29 plus tax; one sip and it's finished. For $10 a month (less for a yearly commitment), I get something permanent, something that will undoubtedly add to my gaming hobby. Or, I could buy a bottle of water for a couple of weeks  ; know what I'm saying?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:13AM
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Certainly some people enjoy 'fishing' , I'm just amazed that there's concern that the CB costs money. Of course it costs money.
Everything costs money. A 20 oz. bottle of water for breakfast costs me $1.29 plus tax; one sip and it's finished.
For $10 a month (less for a yearly commitment), I get something permanent, something that will undoubtedly add to my gaming hobby. Or, I could buy a bottle of water for a couple of weeks ; know what I'm saying?
No kidding. D&D is a very cheap hobby for what you get.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:18AM
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Certainly some people enjoy 'fishing' , I'm just amazed that there's concern that the CB costs money. Of course it costs money.
Everything costs money. A 20 oz. bottle of water for breakfast costs me $1.29 plus tax; one sip and it's finished.
For $10 a month (less for a yearly commitment), I get something permanent, something that will undoubtedly add to my gaming hobby. Or, I could buy a bottle of water for a couple of weeks ; know what I'm saying?
And I am willing to pay an acceptable price for it. I'm not stating that I want the character generator to be free to use. I am just saying that it should be sold as a stand alone product instead of forcing some magazine sub down my throat that I do not want nor need. I find that unethical, that is my opinion.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:25AM
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Don't consider it as a magazine sub. Maybe think of it as downloading a program. The CB really is a fun program; it works well IMHO and adds to my enjoyment of the hobby. I'd certainly recommend that it's worth a look for a month. A friendly suggestion ; I respect your opinion.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:39AM
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So you're saying that you want to use WotC's program at a price of your choosing, and without paying for regularly updated content. I'm not sure what kind of business model you think WotC uses, but that ain't it. And I am willing to pay an acceptable price for it. I'm not stating that I want the character generator to be free to use. I am just saying that it should be sold as a stand alone product instead of forcing some magazine sub down my throat that I do not want nor need. I find that unethical, that is my opinion.
The company has a product, offers that product at a stated price, and if you pay the asked price, you get the product. How is that unethical?
Ever feel like people on these forums can't possibly understand how wrong they are? Feeling trolled? Don't get mad. Report Post.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:39AM
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It's a magazine subscription, ongoing support for two pieces of software, and full access to a searchable online database.
If you're not interested in Dragon content then your updates per year would only follow after content you actually care about, and since the update is all-inclusive and not modular all the content you don't care about or are only moderately interested in would come along with your next must-have update anyway.
Here's the thing that confuses me: if you don't consider the magazine and monthly updates to be worth 70$ a year then why the retentive need to be 100% up to date? If you're not going to use it then you're not really going to miss it when your CB is 6 months out of date, and you'll eventually get it anyway the next time you do consider it to be worth 10$ to update?
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:42AM
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And I am willing to pay an acceptable price for it. I'm not stating that I want the character generator to be free to use. I am just saying that it should be sold as a stand alone product instead of forcing some magazine sub down my throat that I do not want nor need. I find that unethical, that is my opinion.
The company has a product, offers that product at a stated price, and if you pay the asked price, you get the product. How is that unethical?
Are bundled products unethical sales tactics? I dunno. The price as is is for an awful lot of content. I pay yearly subscriptions and fees for things that both cost more and do less, so I guess it's just that in my world this is a great value.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:47AM
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The company has a product, offers that product at a stated price, and if you pay the asked price, you get the product. How is that unethical?
Obviously inconvience is the new unethical.
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:58AM
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Is it jus me or have this rant been done to death more then a year ago, This is not the first time we have seen someone complain about being forced to subscribe to the mags to get access to the builder, and it will not be the last. Though I keep finding these things funny because the Magazines came first, and the builder was added to the subscription as an extra feature after the subscriptions started. In fact, trying to force people to buy a product not tied to the actual product will make a lot of people refuse. I can't be the only one that finds such practices, unethical.
But they are related, they are both digital D&D products, and one (the CB and MB) contains almost all the game rules of the other (the Mags), and it is not that small a portion of the content in the builders either. For an example, there are presently 1510 feats listed in the compendium as being from rule books. and an additional 868 feats from the Magazines with a total of 2378 feats. that is more then 1/3rd from the magazines. for powers, there are 6298 in the compendium filter to just dragon and you get 1072 powers. the mags are a decent portion of the builder content.
The company has a product, offers that product at a stated price, and if you pay the asked price, you get the product. How is that unethical?
Because it is more then he wants to pay for what he will use. Like 90% of price complaints, it boils down to it is more then I want to pay for the service.
Really every time I seen a thread like this, my first though is that the only way to end them would be for wizards to do a full overhaul of the updater, so that it can keep track of exactly what someone has access to, so they could then set it up so that people could purchase the content of individual books for the builder
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3 years ago ::
Jun 13, 2010 - 9:59AM
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I've a few more thoughts on the cost of the CB (let's ignore the bundled ezine subscription for now). The CB might not be worth $72 (for a year) but there's no doubt in my mind that's it worth every penny of $10. As others have mentioned, for $10 (a single month), I get all the rules from the D&D books . . . all of 'em up to this point. That includes the core books (PH, DMG, PH2, DMG2, PH3) and all the supplemental books (Martial Power 1 & 2, Arcane Power, Divine Power, Primal Power) all the ezine content, all the adventure content . . . every single crunchy bit of D&D for only $10. Sign me up . Keeping up the newest releases will cost me a bit more of course. There's also the awesome (IMHO) Character Builder and the online Rules Compendium. I can easily create as many D&D PCs as I want, for all long as I want; character sheet and all. The CB is mine to keep and all the rules that come with it. I'm also a longtime, die-hard fan of Dragon/Dungeon. I enjoy the 'fluff' articles best. So, a D&D Insider subscription is a no-brainer for me. Just offering my thoughts one last time .
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