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Jul 15, 2010 -- 7:08AM, Haldrik wrote:

Mar: 'Will you read Ikemmu or not?'

I grant your point about the Darks remaining parallel.

When I said planar 'vibe' I meant flavorwise, not spacially. I enjoy the loose association of plane and power source: Astral-Divine, Elemental-Elemental, Middleworld-Primal, Shadowfell-Shadow, etcetera.

Because the Darks mutually influence each other, its nice when their tropes do too. I can see Drow Warlocks dabbling in Shadowfell death magic and Middleworld subterrainean nature spirits.

i have always felt that the warlock dark pact was weaksauce, flavor-wise.  a shadowfell theme or abyssal theme would have worked better, imo.  alternatively, the class would have been just fine with fey, infernal, star and vestige pacts alone; although, i would have preferred fey (cha), infernal (cha), star (con--in truth, i prefer cha (see below) but for balance across builds, i chose con here), and vestige (con).  or even better:

A-shaped class
primary stat (cha or int)
fey (int or cha secondary, respectively)
infernal (con or cha secondary, respectively)
star (con or cha secondary, respectively)
vestige (int or cha secondary, respectively--really only because it provides balance across builds)

regarding star pact:
everything i read about natural humanoids being exposed to the far realm talks about the dangers of becoming insane.  this strikes me as more of a cha issue than a con issue.  thus, i think that the star pact should have cha as a primary or secondary stat.  if cha as a primary stat, then con as a secondary stat would be fine and flavorfully contributory.

regarding infernal pact:
devils are tempters and manipulators.  they attempt to corrupt the minds, and consequently, the souls of mortals.  this strikes me as more of a cha issue than a con issue.  thus, i think that the infernal pact should have cha as a primary or secondary stat.  if cha as a primary stat, then con as a secondary stat would be fine and flavorfully contributory, given the fire and brimstone motif.  however, inclusion of a con stat might muddy the distinction between the infernal pact and a possible abyssal pact, which undoubtedly would include a con stat.

Jul 15, 2010 -- 8:05AM, Haldrik wrote:

Many predict the Essentials will make all Warlock builds Cha-primary. A 'pact' is somewhat of a social bond so Cha can convey approiate flavor.

works for me  

Jul 15, 2010 -- 2:16PM, Marandahir wrote:

Not to mention the Charisma Hellock article.  Why would they release such a thing if there weren't enough powers to cover 29 levels?

good point

I was under the impression this meant we were still getting necromancer, hexblade, and assassin classes (where did the original confirmation come from - maybe we should double check the wording).  It just meant that the Heroes of Shadow books offers stuff for characters of other classes as well - shadow themes, multiclass, etc.  It sounded to me like powers may not be so class-exclusive anymore.  If that is the case, then sorcerers will finally be able to learn fireball (assuming it becomes a generic arcane power than a wizard-specific power and that my guesses are actually close to the truth).