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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 9:32AM #1841
Mengu74
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Even if your will is average to high, you will get hit by status conditions. It's the DM's job to ensure that. Nothing wrong with being prepared for when you do get hit.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 9:37AM #1842
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A Str/Con Fighter will have to burn a minor every round. Thats the reality of epic play. Dreadnought isn't being prepared, its taking something that is completely overkill and making it a total necessity.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 4:39PM #1843
Mathalor
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@Mengu  So, wait, I'm going to get hit by status effects if my will is too low, but I'm going to get hit if it's high as well?  I'm a bit confused.

So, should I make a different kind of fighter, or just have a hammer fighter that boosts wisdom instead of con?  I could make a spear fighter and be okay boosting wisdom.  I couldn't daze at will, though, and I'd give up my shield for a bit of reach.  And anvil of doom.

Is dreadnought required, or can I survive without it (I really like gladiator champion)?
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 4:55PM #1844
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Just make a Hammer Fighter with Wisdom. The boost to OAs is nice too.
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7 months ago  ::  Nov 13, 2012 - 7:17PM #1845
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Nov 13, 2012 -- 4:39PM, Mathalor wrote:

@Mengu  So, wait, I'm going to get hit by status effects if my will is too low, but I'm going to get hit if it's high as well?


Yes. Maybe not as frequently, instead of being hit on a 2, you'll get hit on an 11, or maybe 15. But you will get hit, and should bring the tools to shake out of conditions, whether that's Superior Will, Clearheaded, Boots of Free Movement, teleportation powers, Resilient Focus, whatever. Every character needs a toolbox to deal with the kinds of conditions that are most debilitating to the build.

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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 7:41PM #1846
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I ran across a neat trick yesterday that I thought I'd share. Brawler Fighters already like to either multiclass Monk or take Elemental Initiate for a better unarmed attack. This also opens the door for a Transcendent Ki Focus, a superior ki focus that increases the reach of your melee attacks by one. Now you can grab with reach, which basically means that if enemies don't have reach, don't have a ranged attack and can't teleport, they're practically stunned as long as you have them grabbed. And it only requires a one feat investment if you took the theme, so you can get it to work at level 2 (you need Inescapable Hold first).
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 26, 2013 - 8:49PM #1847
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In general Superior implement properties only affect implement powers.  And yes, there are melee range implement powers (monk, hexblade, etc).
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 3:10AM #1848
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By in general, you mean, "That's the General Rule printed in every book with Superior Implements, and there has yet to be a Specific Rule remotely capable of beating it"
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 9:57AM #1849
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I checked, and it looks like that it doesn't say (in both PHB3 and PsP, where superior implements and superior ki foci are introduced respectivly) that you can't use a superior implement with weapon attacks, but you have to make you attack with the implement.  So, it looks like it would be rules-legal to have Trad. Ki Focus to work with fighter attacks.
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4 months ago  ::  Jan 27, 2013 - 10:14AM #1850
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sure,, but what would be the point ? Might as well slap someone across the face with your open hand at that stage.
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