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Sep 28, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Zathris wrote:

Your deflection isn't even amusing at this point, RR, you're arguing things I've never brought up and can't even take your own position seriously; nothing you've said is remotely a merit of the Brawler compared to other Fighters, and I find your lack of knowledge of Swordmages rather astounding so this "argument" is pretty much over until you get a clue.

You too, dude. Time to be a big boy and stay in the fight past the adrenaline rounds. What, exactly, is my lack of knowledge of Swordmages? That they suck at striking? Uh, no, that's precisely a knowledge of Swordmages.  

They're good at some things, even awesome when paired with a pursuit Avenger. But on a tabula rasa? Not top-tier defenders by any measure. Any Fighter build owns them, even the ones that theoretically outperform the Brawler. (I'll admit that a shield Fighter is roughly equal, mind you, but not if the party as a whole is built to blast through heroic.)

C'mon now, put up your dukes. Don't just huff and puff.

Sep 28, 2012 -- 8:38PM, Rancid_Rogue wrote:

Sep 28, 2012 -- 8:26PM, Zathris wrote:

Your deflection isn't even amusing at this point, RR, you're arguing things I've never brought up and can't even take your own position seriously; nothing you've said is remotely a merit of the Brawler compared to other Fighters, and I find your lack of knowledge of Swordmages rather astounding so this "argument" is pretty much over until you get a clue.

You too, dude. Time to be a big boy and stay in the fight past the adrenaline rounds. What, exactly, is my lack of knowledge of Swordmages? That they suck at striking? Uh, no, that's precisely a knowledge of Swordmages.  

They're good at some things, even awesome when paired with a pursuit Avenger. But on a tabula rasa? Not top-tier defenders by any measure. Any Fighter build owns them, even the ones that theoretically outperform the Brawler. (I'll admit that a shield Fighter is roughly equal, mind you, but not if the party as a whole is built to blast through heroic.)

C'mon now, put up your dukes. Don't just huff and puff.

Typical of a football person. You don't even have real arguments, so you're just going to ad hominem when I try backing out of a pointless argument. What next, you going to suggest you could beat me up? In real life it's called bullying, here it's called baiting, knock it off and grow up.

I really hate pulling an Alcestis and just telling you to go look things up, but the length at which you are wrong is something I don't have time to correct tonight. Compared to Fighters, SM's have the better Defender PP, the better Defender At-Will, 2/3 better Encounter Powers, and better Defenses overall; Fighters have the better Features, overall Support, and Daily Powers, and none of that relates to the Brawler Specifically. Oh, and SMs Hybrid soooooooo much better. In the end, the best Defender builds in the game are impossible to rank except on a case by case basis, and both pure and hybrid SMs are in there as well as pure and hybrid Fighters; but none of them are Brawlers (Yes, I know of Beowulf, it doesn't deserve to be a UD, which among other things has lead me to discout UD as nothing but a Bajat collection).

Sep 28, 2012 -- 9:27PM, Armisael wrote:

Welcome to the wonderful world in which Lightning Clash exists. Might want to look before you leap, man.

That's awesome. A slightly steroidal Dual Strike as an encounter. Rock on, Jedi wannabe.