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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 3:21PM
#31
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Date Joined:
Jul 30, 2002
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Have any of you had any player's quit playing 4th edition or quit gaming period because of 4th edition?
I only lost one player, my brother. But since our group is so small (3 guys, including me) 1 player dropping is harsh. However, my friend loved 4e so much he started his own group and I'm in that. He DM's groups of 3-5 on average, so 4e brought it more players there. Although, this group is now switching over to nWoD soon and my DM is considering making that permanent.
My brother also attends to a D&D club at his school. When 4e came out, a teacher donated the core rulebooks. It was such a nice gesture, they immediately stopped their 3.5 game and tried fresh with 4e. After a few months playing, they went back to 3.5, already bored and disappointed with 4e. Sadly, that group of 6 broke off not long after that and they've been going strong for years. From what my brother said, all of them, including him, are all disenchanted with anything D&D. 
-I got ran over my a squirrel the other day.
-I'm going to steal my own idea.
-My fruits of labor are not fruits... *sniff* they're vegetables. *sobs*
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 3:21PM
#32
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Date Joined:
Jul 23, 2004
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For the life of me, I fail to understand how constantly tweaking and balancing the game based on feedback in order to make the game fun for everyone is a bad thing.
Stability is very important when it comes to any game that has rules. If my car is in the shop more than it's on the road then I can't enjoy it. Besides, if I have a car that it only two years old and it has to go to the shop as much as it does then I would think about buying another car because it should have been done to start with.
No there is no perfect balance when it comes to games and I understand this but Wizards honestly needs to stop trying to achieve the impossible.
Hmmm - your metaphor does not seem appropriate here. You can't drive your car while it's in the shop, but you can happily keep playing 4E while the folks at WotC are compiling feedback from thousands of players and making occasional mid-course adjustments to the game. And while you might simply have no choice about putting your car in the shop (i.e. it won't run at all without that engine repair), no one says you ever have to adopt the game errata. I know people who play it as printed in the rulebooks, and they have a grand time.
A saying I've heard about film seems appropriate here -- "Art is never finished, only abandoned." I consider the errata an ongoing attempt on the part of the folks at WotC to avoid abandoning their art.
Roger Alix-Gaudreau
Prodigal DM, returned to the fold
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 5:09PM
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I've only seen 3 people lost to 4th edition. 1 is a DM friend who is more butterfly than anything else. More money than common sense and too easily prone to buy into something, spend a bunch of cash, and then get bored quick and look for something else. I don't think he dislikes 4th actually, he just has no dedication  2 others are Player friends, and frankly they are just Star Wars weenies Those of my friends that don't play 4th, are rabidly anti 4th and prefer 3.5 and unlikely to ever change.
I don't play 4th edition D&D for Wizard's sake I play it for my sake.
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 5:12PM
#34
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Date Joined:
Sep 20, 2004
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No, I do not know anyone who has dropped D&D because of 4e. On the other hand, I returned to D&D because of 4e. When 3e first came out I was VERY excited about it. I thought it was going to be amazing. A few campaigns into the edition and I realized I hated it with a passion. By the time 3.5 rolled around I didn't even bother purchasing the updated core rulebooks. As far as I am concerned, 3e's only saving grace was d20 Modern, and later Star Wars Saga (which I personally consider to be the d20 Modern system 2.0). Monte Cook's World of Darkness is pretty cool as well. In terms of a heroic fantasy game, though, 4e is better in every possible way. Just my opinion, of course.
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 6:05PM
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For the life of me, I fail to understand how constantly tweaking and balancing the game based on feedback in order to make the game fun for everyone is a bad thing.
Stability is very important when it comes to any game that has rules. If my car is in the shop more than it's on the road then I can't enjoy it. Besides, if I have a car that it only two years old and it has to go to the shop as much as it does then I would think about buying another car because it should have been done to start with.
No there is no perfect balance when it comes to games and I understand this but Wizards honestly needs to stop trying to achieve the impossible.
I guess by your definition the Constitution should never change either. It wasn't perfect when it came out. It's always changing
Your comparsion is not a good comparsion. Even cars change. Every year a new model with go faster stripes comes out.
DnD is stable but shouldn't stand still. This is why we have new editions that come out. This is why we get new books to add on to the game.
As others have said and I said all the time to people who complain about erratas "You don't have to use them." The game runs with or without them. The erratas fix problems. Most of the problem I see are when new books come out and interact with old books
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 6:09PM
#36
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Date Joined:
Jul 17, 2008
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As others have said and I said all the time to people who complain about erratas "You don't have to use them." The game runs with or without them. The erratas fix problems. Most of the problem I see are when new books come out and interact with old books
Does errata really have anything to do with a 3e vs 4e discussion anyway? 3e had acres of errata by the time it was cancelled. I can't say whether it had more or less errata that 4e after 2 years, but considering 3e had the .0 and .5 versions to get it right, it had a pretty extensive reliance on errata.
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 6:29PM
#37
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Date Joined:
Jul 18, 2007
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Have any of you had any player's quit playing 4th edition or quit gaming period because of 4th edition?
Nope. Had my wife skip a substantial portion of 3rd, and I stopped DMing it for a while. Too much needless complexity.
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 6:43PM
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As others have said and I said all the time to people who complain about erratas "You don't have to use them." The game runs with or without them. The erratas fix problems. Most of the problem I see are when new books come out and interact with old books
Does errata really have anything to do with a 3e vs 4e discussion anyway? 3e had acres of errata by the time it was cancelled. I can't say whether it had more or less errata that 4e after 2 years, but considering 3e had the .0 and .5 versions to get it right, it had a pretty extensive reliance on errata.
Yep, acres of errata that didn't fix the actually problems of game balance, like clerics, druids, and wizards ...
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 6:46PM
#39
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Date Joined:
May 23, 2005
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We have lost 2 people (father and son) since 4th edition has come out. But that was more because of them killing of Living Greyhawk than a new edition.
We dont play much 4th edition anymore now though because of Living Forgotten Realms and its draw backs and flaws as we see them.
We love the Encounters stuff though and we do have 1 member that runs a home campaign for some of his other friends.
But the majority of us love 4th edition and wouldnt turn back to 3.x if we had to. We would play much more 4th if they were able to turn around LFR.
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3 years ago ::
May 17, 2010 - 6:54PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 22, 2010
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Slayer:
I've seen people refuse to make the switch-over to new editions each time a new edition comes out. I can understand older RPers ditching 4th edition in favor of 3rd edition.
There's a lot that I can't "legally" do in 4th edition that I could do in 3rd.
4th edition fights seem more anime than tradition sword and sorcery to me.
Still, I prefer 4th edition, even though it feels like a mmorpg to me.
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