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Aug 12, 2012 -- 8:30AM, Necros99 wrote:

Sorry for the necro, but I recently revisited this post and noticed you changed it (swapped in Frost-cheese and Divine Healer).  My question is this:  How are you ignoring the two armor feats (chainmail and scalemail)?  As far as I know, taking a multiclass feat does not confer class armor proficiency.  Is there a recent (last two years) ruling that changed that?

The Battle Cleric's Lore alternate class feature replaces Healer's Lore and grants the armor proficiency and a +2 shield bonus to AC. Its from Dragon 400. 

Aug 12, 2012 -- 10:42AM, SpartanKillian wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 8:42AM, rjsilverthorn wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 8:30AM, Necros99 wrote:

Sorry for the necro, but I recently revisited this post and noticed you changed it (swapped in Frost-cheese and Divine Healer).  My question is this:  How are you ignoring the two armor feats (chainmail and scalemail)?  As far as I know, taking a multiclass feat does not confer class armor proficiency.  Is there a recent (last two years) ruling that changed that?

The Battle Cleric's Lore alternate class feature replaces Healer's Lore and grants the armor proficiency and a +2 shield bonus to AC. Its from Dragon 400. 

I'm familiar with the various threads debating whether or not this works and I know that this forum is proceeding as though it does, but has there been any official word from Wizards about swapping out Healer's Lore for BCL?

Nope and I wouldn't expect one at this point. They are largely focused on the next edition so I doubt we are going to see much in the way of clarifications. Honestly they were never very good about those all along.

Aug 12, 2012 -- 12:38PM, Alcestis wrote:

Aug 12, 2012 -- 10:42AM, SpartanKillian wrote:

I'm familiar with the various threads debating whether or not this works and I know that this forum is proceeding as though it does, but has there been any official word from Wizards about swapping out Healer's Lore for BCL?

Are you also familiar with the various threads that have debated hundreds of other things, endlessly, that also had perfectly clear RAW answers? The existence of a debate is not an indication there isn't a right answer, it is an indication some people don't like the answer.

+1

Jan 14, 2013 -- 5:39AM, Kees wrote:

I have a simular build. But I multiclass with monk and uses a Iron Body Ki. I'm the last man standing.

That would preclude you from using the Frost package, unless you are spamming frost whetstones.

Edit: Actually maybe not, forgot that the damage changing on a frost weapon is a power and not a property. 

Jan 14, 2013 -- 5:39AM, Kees wrote:

I have a simular build. But I multiclass with monk and uses a Iron Body Ki. I'm the last man standing.

Forgive me if I misunderstand.  You are referring to using an Iron Body Ki Focus item?  

If I read this item correctly ("Property:  If you hit an opponent with an attack using this ki focus, you gain resistance to all of that target’s attacks equal to 2 + this implement’s enhancement bonus until the end of your next turn.") and look at the Monk description of Implement use ("When you wear or hold your ki focus, you can add its enhancement bonus to the attack rolls and the damage rolls of monk powers and monk paragon path powers that have the implement keyword") it would seem that you would not gain this property with Ranger attacks.  On top of that, you would lose the "Frost Cheese", since you can not use both an Implement AND a Weapon with an attack ("If you have both a magic ki focus and a magic weapon, you choose before you use an attack power whether to draw on the magic of the ki focus or the weapon. Your choice determines which enhancement bonus, critical hit effects, and magic item properties and powers you can apply to that power")