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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 12:13PM
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If you weren't stacking save penalties then you were wasting your orb and playing a weaker wizard then you had to....in which case your case doesn't really count when discussing errata.
-Polaris
There you go again, there's your bullshit margins dictating not only what you consider to be a worthy character but now what you consider to be a worthy experience. The concept of the Orb Wizard has changed very little. Your implementation of the orb wizard (and by extension what you consider to be the concept given that your brain has little room for anything that isn't l33t enough and considers them one and the same) is what got hashed, not the basic concept.
My player has been playing an effective off-the-shelf Orb Wizard for 18 months and has felt only minor impacts from errata. The change of Orb of Inevitable Continuance from an Encounter to a Daily was noticed but after a "aw shucks" moment it didn't actually change that much. The party didn't die on their next encounter as a result; the normal margins of the game shifted very little. If anything the changes have improved the party because they don't feel as locked in to specific enchants and powers. The experience didn't change, not much at all, but the perception sure did.
Stamping your feet and insisting that the impact on you is worth more because you spend your free time crunching numbers is both misguided and selfish. The very fact that you have to spend so much of your time complaining about people who are happy with un-l33t choices, who aren't looking to burn their books on Wizards' lawn because something was altered, who don't even notice that errata was issued, should be a solid indicator that you're in the minority.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 12:29PM
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i.e. be as effective as possible in whatever it is you want to do well (which varies greatly from character to character). LFK's wizard was clearly (by his own statement) not pulling his weight.
No, that's your imposition. Your margins are what say my player isn't pulling her weight; your assumptions about what the game actually requires for success.
My players would beg to differ.
L. has more than pulled her own weight and is consistently a valuable member of the party.
You might want to qualify what "pulling your own weight" actually means before you start implying that other peoples' characters aren't doing it. You know, if you want it to be anything more than hot air.
I measure from the floor up.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 12:45PM
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I have a pacifist healer in my campaign and it is murder coming up with the correct encounter rating for this party. I throw a hard encounter with the BBEG and they nearly walk through the fight without scratch. I have killed 2 party members because I had to up the power by another level.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 1:10PM
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because all of this errata literally does make the books worthless and gives the impression that you guys at WoTC were sloppy when you wrote them
So all you care about is the impression that they were sloppy? You realize that the inherent quality of the original material isn't changed by later errata, right? If it really was sloppy and they didn't errata it then it would still be sloppy.
The problem is that there were blatently obvious errors that a trained monkey that actually played DnD could have seen on a simple first read....and WERE SEEN on a simple first read once the game was released publically. In fact if I am to believe some in Brilliant Gameologists, they were caught significantly before release and Wotc told them to take a hike (paraphrasing).
Fixing errata that is due to an unforeseen consequence of a serious of events is one thing. All games (or logical constructs) will have such holes. Fixing errata that should have been caught by a simple proofread months if not more than a year later (Blade Cascade, Orb of Imposition, etc) are indications of sloppy work the first time.
-Polaris
So what? He's not saying he's leaving because of obvious sloppy design; if he were, he would have left shortly after the publication of PHB1. He's saying he's leaving because they are FIXING the sloppy design. That's just dumb.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 1:11PM
#45
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...that this extremely rapid pace of errata is starting to alienate significant chunks of their customer base. What Wotc does about this is up to them.
Quote? Backup evidence?
Or will this have to stand as your "POISON PILL!!!!111!" argument of old?
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 1:31PM
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...that this extremely rapid pace of errata is starting to alienate significant chunks of their customer base. What Wotc does about this is up to them.
Quote? Backup evidence?
Or will this have to stand as your "POISON PILL!!!!111!" argument of old?
Well IIRC WotC has actually acknowledged that the pace of Errata has been a bit too quick and has said they're going to start slowing it down. Not that that really helps his argument but yeah.
My only "complaint" is that they seem to nerf builds like a few days after I come up with em. Hide Armor Expertise got changed about a week after I submitted a character with it to the Hero Artisans Contest, and I made an Elf Avenger Daggermaster like 2 days before the most recent errata (Though really that's just WotC monitoring mah brainwaves as  usual   < img src="http://fast1.onesite.com/community.wizards.com/smileys/grin.gif">  ).
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 1:35PM
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...that this extremely rapid pace of errata is starting to alienate significant chunks of their customer base. What Wotc does about this is up to them.
Quote? Backup evidence?
Or will this have to stand as your "POISON PILL!!!!111!" argument of old?
Andy and Greg have both admitted as much in this month's DDI.
That "evidence" enough for you?
-Polaris
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 1:35PM
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if they didn't have to use it, then they most likely wouldn't be complaining about the frequency of it in the first place.
I had no disagreement with the rest of your post. But this one...
I suspect that many (most?) of the folks who post on these Boards that are complaining about the frequnecy of the errata are not LFR players and either are the DM or do not have a DM that requries the errata. Complaining is practically a requirement of posting on these Boards.
Here are the PHB essentia, in my opinion: - Three Basic Rules (p 11)
- Power Types and Usage (p 54)
- Skills (p178-179)
- Feats (p 192)
- Rest and Recovery (p 263)
- All of Chapter 9 [Combat] (p 264-295)
A player needs to read the sections for building his or her character -- race, class, powers, feats, equipment, etc. But those are PC-specific. The above list is for everyone, regardless of the race or class or build or concept they are playing.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 1:38PM
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I am voting with my wallet, and canning my subscription to D&Di over this. I am not going to pay you to make me unhappy.
Sincerely, Dark
I voted with my wallet and subscribed to DnDi because of errata. I felt it was taking the game in the right direction.
So I am the opposite.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 1:43PM
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I voted with my wallet and subscribed to DnDi because of errata. I felt it was taking the game in the right direction.
So I am the opposite.
+1
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