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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 6:42AM
#11
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I am not sure that I understand the logic of cancelling DDI, a sevice that automatically updates and takes into account the rules updates because WotC is constantly evaluating the way that the game is being played and making sure that nothing is too overpowered, but to each their own. That being said, have you seen the article by Andy Collins discussing Rules updates?
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 7:29AM
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Did I miss any of the classics?
So long and thanks for the fish?
Is this the first time there has been errata for the game, because it really seems like it with the way people are getting up in arms about it? How many people post a message on the forum only to read it and discover that is not what they wanted to say at all? It is not like you do not have the time to formulate your thoughts properly, yet it still happens. Luckily you can go back and edit it. The fast and prompt errata is WotC's way of doing this. Will you always agree with the errata? Probably not, but that is the way of the world. I think it is great that they can address problems as quickly as they can.
People sleep peacefully in their beds at night only because rough men stand ready to do violence on their behalf. --George Orwell There is no flag large enough to cover the shame of killing innocent people. --Howard Zinn He who fights with monsters must take care lest he thereby become a monster. --Friedrich Nietzsche
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 7:50AM
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Date Joined:
Aug 17, 2007
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Ibecause all of this errata literally does make the books worthless
The PHB1 has received the most errata of any book... which has invalidated, at most, perhaps 3-4% of the book. I don't think any have become worthless.
More than that, if you don't like the errata, you don't have to use it. Those of us who like a balanced game can go ahead and do so. Everyone wins!
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 8:04AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 28, 2003
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I am not sure that I understand the logic of cancelling DDI, a sevice that automatically updates and takes into account the rules updates because WotC is constantly evaluating the way that the game is being played and making sure that nothing is too overpowered, but to each their own.
That being said, have you seen the article by Andy Collins discussing Rules updates?
While Elwyndas did post an excellent summary, viewing the complete, original article requires a DDI subscription.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 8:37AM
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I am also starting to feel like Dark Savior. I play primarily LFR, so I am stuck with these changes. My builds never feel safe. I keep waiting for the next axe blow to land. While some of these fixes are spot on, a majority are overkill. I know that someone posted that it’s only a small percentage of things that get errata, but that’s misleading. A majority of the books are filled with fluff, things that 99% of the players don’t touch.
Lary Wesley
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 9:06AM
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I am not sure where I should be posting this, so if there is a better forum please move it there. I have been a subscriber to D&Di for several months, I am by and large thrilled with the character builder, although I was disappointed with the lack of features 2 years out that were showcased at launch. As well, I have grown increasingly concerned with the seemingly unending errata that WoTC has been throwing at 4th Edition, for many reasons; in part because in many cases like the errata felt knee jerk and not well tested, it seemed heavily influenced by corner cases presented on the char-Op boards which are frequented by folks who specifically devote themselves to breaking the game, and hardly constitute typical/average players and dm's, because all of this errata literally does make the books worthless and gives the impression that you guys at WoTC were sloppy when you wrote them, and because I honestly don't want to deal with D&D being similar to WoW, in that consistency and game mechanics are in a constant state of flux, which I find annoying because its like never receiving a finished product in the first place, but constantly paying for it via D&Di.
This is the first time I find myself disappointed with 4th Edition and WoTC, having more or less been a real fan, but after this recent errata, you guys gelded my favorite character, my pacifist cleric, which I am using in an official D&D Encounters game so the change can't simply be ignored. Since I am only one poster and I don't think you guys are listening over there at WoTC, at least not very well, I am voting with my wallet, and canning my subscription to D&Di over this. I am not going to pay you to make me unhappy. I hope you guys get a clue and get a handle on all this retconning of your game every month or whenever something new comes out that the established rules "interfere" with, then maybe I will come back, but until then, you lost a customer.
Sincerely, Dark
So if I got this straight you are cancelling you subscription because of erratas(like other people you don't have to use), but the erratas are free and you don't need a subscription to access it.
You don't like the balance and ongoing changes mostly for the better(which I will point out you don't have to use)
I like the way 4th is going instead of ignoring a problem they fix so if we want to use the fix we do.
This recent errata killed my friends pitfighter.avenger but he isn't crying about it. He is still having fun and now because of this other options has opened for him
Oh yeah by the way let me add one more classic
Go ahead teach me a lesson and cancel you account
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 9:57AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 17, 2003
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I am not sure that I understand the logic of cancelling DDI, a sevice that automatically updates and takes into account the rules updates because WotC is constantly evaluating the way that the game is being played and making sure that nothing is too overpowered, but to each their own.
That being said, have you seen the article by Andy Collins discussing Rules updates?
Honestly, the perception I've have (for some time) is that my books are becoming increasing worthless as rules-reference material at the table because of the constant errata. It's necessary, but please understand that the current pace is seriously alienating some of your customer base.
Personally, I agree that it's more a reason to buy DDI (for Char Builder) and not buy books again (which is what I've done).
As for Andy's article, perhaps it's me being sensitive, but he and Gregg come off as being awfully condescending to the customers especially those that probably analyze the game the most and spend the most effort tying to get it to work without pay (yes, I mean the Char-Op people).
-Polaris
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 10:03AM
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We've had one 4e game or another running since the edition was launched and in that time I've seen 20+ characters at the table for extended play (i.e. not just a one-off fight night) and only one has ever received an errata change that's impacted the character in any severe way, and it was the Battlerager change which actually made the character better since the player could now keep track of what was actually going on (not a problem for the vociferous forums, but a lot of people I know read that original block once and said "I have no idea how that works.")
Maybe I'm just oblivious to it, or maybe you're overreacting, but the idea of your build not feeling "safe" seems a bit extreme. You'd have to have your character hinging on several elements that were completely altered and not just toned down.
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 10:10AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 17, 2003
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We've had one 4e game or another running since the edition was launched and in that time I've seen 20+ characters at the table for extended play (i.e. not just a one-off fight night) and only one has ever received an errata change that's impacted the character in any severe way, and it was the Battlerager change which actually made the character better since the player could now keep track of what was actually going on (not a problem for the vociferous forums, but a lot of people I know read that original block once and said "I have no idea how that works.")
Maybe I'm just oblivious to it, or maybe you're overreacting, but the idea of your build not feeling "safe" seems a bit extreme. You'd have to have your character hinging on several elements that were completely altered and not just toned down.
You've obviously never played an Orb-Wizard. That entire concept has been essentially destroyed and it's not the only one.
More to the point, the other day at the table, the question came up as to "how long can we hold our breath" (Astral Ship crashlanded and we needed to dive to get necessary supplies) and the rules in the PHB were not only misleading but WRONG. We've had similiar problems with adjuciating Stealth and other in game circumstances. The rules as written in the PHB have become a bit of a running joke.
-Polaris
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3 years ago ::
May 06, 2010 - 10:15AM
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Well Polaris, the whole point of a rules update is to...update the rules. Of course, the old PHB rule is wrong. If you don't have the updated rules taped in your book, printed out, or (my favorite) on your dm screen/laptop, then just use the rules you do have as written.
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