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3 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2010 - 3:58PM
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It's a silly thing.
Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?
As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).
However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2010 - 4:10PM
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Date Joined:
Jan 25, 2004
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Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?
As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).
However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.
I suppose the target could still move at half-speed if it succeeds on a Strength check vs. its own Fort, and forcably move itself.  (Images of the target grabbing itself by the collar and yanking itself into the next square.) However, in such a case, it (or rather the dominator) couldn't then use the minor action required to sustain the grab. 
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3 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2010 - 4:37PM
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Date Joined:
Nov 11, 2009
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Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?
As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).
However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.
I suppose the target could still move at half-speed if it succeeds on a Strength check vs. its own Fort, and forcably move itself. (Images of the target grabbing itself by the collar and yanking itself into the next square.) However, in such a case, it (or rather the dominator) couldn't then use the minor action required to sustain the grab.
If it's dominated, I don't think it can use a move action to try to escape from itself.
EDIT: Nevermind, you were talking about it pulling or pushing itself while moving after grabbing itself. On that point, no, it could not. It is immobilized, so it can not pull itself (similar to if two creatures grabbed each other, they would both be immobilized and unable to drag each other around).
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3 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2010 - 4:41PM
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Nov 11, 2009
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Can a dominated creature move to the edge of a cliff and then Bull Rush itself off of the cliff?
It would have to push itself one square away from itself... I don't know if that's possible.
EDIT: Bull Rush requires an adjacent target.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2010 - 6:09PM
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Can a dominated creature be made to grab himself? Is he then prevented from leaving his square until released?
As a DM, I'd allow it for the comical imagery (Idle Hands?).
However, all you've managed to do is prevent the target from moving until it's no longer dominated... which it couldn't do anyway.
I suppose the target could still move at half-speed if it succeeds on a Strength check vs. its own Fort, and forcably move itself. (Images of the target grabbing itself by the collar and yanking itself into the next square.) However, in such a case, it (or rather the dominator) couldn't then use the minor action required to sustain the grab.
If it's dominated, I don't think it can use a move action to try to escape from itself.
EDIT: Nevermind, you were talking about it pulling or pushing itself while moving after grabbing itself. On that point, no, it could not. It is immobilized, so it can not pull itself (similar to if two creatures grabbed each other, they would both be immobilized and unable to drag each other around).
A dominated creature is effectively dazed, meaning it can't take immediate actions which means it can't sustain a grab.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 16, 2010 - 10:56PM
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A dominated creature is effectively dazed, meaning it can't take immediate actions which means it can't sustain a grab.
Minor technical note: *Sustaining* a grab is a minor action, not an immediate action, which the dominating creature could theoretically command the target to still take. However, upon further reflection, while a dominated creature could theoretically grab itself as a standard, it must then immediately let go of itself. The grab rules say that if you are affected by a condition that prevents you from taking opportunity actions (such as being dominated), you immediately let go of who you've grabbed. Which might be what you meant.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 17, 2010 - 4:06AM
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As the title says, if you dominate a monster can you have it attack itself?
Yes, unless the Power used only targets enemies. Knowing you're never an ally to yourself, i asusme you aren't an enemy of yours neighter.  I know a concensus exists that you can change how you consider allies and enemies at any time you want, but not yourself 'd guess. Well, not for Dominating purposes i imagine.
Charge is ambiguous on this. Charging one of your ally while forced to is something most DM i know allow. But i know some consider you can only Charge enemies because of the movement requirement notification included.
A dominated creature is effectively dazed, meaning it can't take immediate actions which means it can't sustain a grab.
Minor technical note: *Sustaining* a grab is a minor action, not an immediate action, which the dominating creature could theoretically command the target to still take. However, upon further reflection, while a dominated creature could theoretically grab itself as a standard, it must then immediately let go of itself. The grab rules say that if you are affected by a condition that prevents you from taking opportunity actions (such as being dominated), you immediately let go of who you've grabbed. Which might be what you meant.
Little note. Dominate doesn't Dazed as per the Errata. But you can't effectively Sustain a grab while Dominated neighter for the reasons mentioned by Skole. It will break instantly since you can't take actions while under this condition.
Dominated
- You can’t take actions. Instead, the dominating creature chooses a single action for you to take on your turn: a standard, a move, or a minor action. The only powers it can make you use are at-will powers.
- You grant combat advantage and can’t flank.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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