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Apr 15, 2010 -- 1:07PM, Ryuu-Kage wrote:

so i created a lvl 1 human monk for the RPGA undermountain mods and i choose harmonious thunder for obvious reasons. until it gets erratad its an instagib, i figured i could get away with using it at an event because they play raw, no house rules. so in the campaign he threw the bbeg at us so i poped HT and an action point to attack again for the instagib and he house ruled on the spot the damage can only bounce from melee or ranged attacks, house ruled me! At a published event!


am i mad for no reason or is this wrong?

Not speaking on the validaty of the power you used nor whether or not RPGA should do house ruling (IMO, they shouldn't)

It sounds like you knew that it would be raw and no house rules. Even if this isn't the case, the DM has the responsibility to inform the players of any house rules before hand (or interruptations, like how to handle Charging's "directly" text), not right when it comes up and then nerfing the player. We've had a few games where we tried something, our DM goes "I don't like that, next time/session it'll be like this..." That's the proper way to do it, let the player do it the way they were thinking it works and inform them that it's now house ruled.

I think you have reason to be mad. Personally, I would have fought it. Not only because it sounds like the event was supposed to be no house rules, but also because the DM completely sprung it on you and that's just not cool.

Apr 15, 2010 -- 1:32PM, ankiyavon wrote:

Harmonious Thunder can reasonably be interpreted in a fashion that involves it not instantly killing both of them.  It's perfectly legitimate for an RPGA DM to disagree with your interpretation of RAW.

It looks like even the CharOp board (here) wouldn't allow this in a game. Off-hand: if a player brings an infinite damage loop to the table, he shouldn't get mad when the DM nerfs.

Anecdote: I used a legit, near-infinite damage combo (from just the 3.5 PHB) in a public game... run by one of the original writers... and only because the party was about to be TPK'd.

I didn't get mad when he nerfed my combo; indeed I appreciated it (even though it ultimately meant some PC's would die).

Apr 15, 2010 -- 2:07PM, Rian_king wrote:

I don't much about RPGA but can DMs change rules like that

Although my understanding is that RPGA DM's must abide by RAW I can't say as I feel bad when a DM doesn't allow such a completely obvious unintended result of a power. I mean, nobody can honestly say that Harmonious Thunder is supposed to be instant gib regardless of how poorly it may be written, it's not like the intent is even remotely challenging to discern.