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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 6:36PM
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The trigger for the secondary attack is that the target "takes any action that can provoke opportunity attacks." I'm not sure how to interpret this...is it... 1. The target takes an action that does provoke from either an ally or yourself 2. The target takes an action that, under the right circumstances, would provoke from an ally or yourself--regardless of whether or not the right circumstances are met 3. Other? Thanks so much for your help! 
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 6:40PM
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I'm interpreting it as 'If there were an enemy near the opponent, and he would do something that would provoke an opportunity attack, you can use the Fire Hawk attack on it'. Which is probably a long-winded way of saying nothing.
Since the Fire Hawk isn't a summon, an enemy can't provoke an OA from it. I think maybe they thought the phrase 'provokes an OA' might mean that you can only use the Fire Hawk if someone is there to take the attack.
So, I think 2; if the enemy would provoke an OA if someone were there to take the attack, you can use Fire Hawk on it.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 6:44PM
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Thanks Salla! So if that interpretation is correct then...
if the target moves without shifting, makes a ranged attack, or makes an area attack, even if none of its enemies are adjacent to it, the druid's secondary attack is triggered.
Is that right?
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 6:45PM
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Thanks Salla! So if that interpretation is correct then...
if the target moves without shifting, makes a ranged attack, or makes an area attack, even if none of its enemies are adjacent to it, the druid's secondary attack is triggered.
Is that right?
That's the way I'm interpreting it, at least. I can't necessarily say it's 'correct', but it makes the most sense to me.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 6:48PM
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Ok, thanks. If it's the correct interpretation, I think that's a very nice power.
"The wages of sin is death, but the gift of God is eternal life through Christ Jesus our Lord" Romans 6:23
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 6:56PM
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There's been alot of debate on this.
The other interpritation is that it has to actually provoke an OA (a.k.a. you need an ally adjacent), but since that makes the power kinda useless no one likes it.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 6:57PM
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There's been alot of debate on this.
The other interpritation is that it has to actually provoke an OA (a.k.a. you need an ally adjacent), but since that makes the power kinda useless no one likes it.
That's why I think the power's trigger is 'takes an action that can provoke' rather than just saying 'provokes'.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 8:11PM
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The trigger for the secondary attack is that the target "takes any action that can provoke opportunity attacks."
I'm not sure how to interpret this...is it...
1. The target takes an action that does provoke from either an ally or yourself
2. The target takes an action that, under the right circumstances, would provoke from an ally or yourself--regardless of whether or not the right circumstances are met
3. Other?
Thanks so much for your help!
Any action that *CAN* provoke an OA does so from the Fire Hawk.
Basically, for every action the target takes, check to see if that *could* provoke an OA from someone.
If it could, it provokes Fire Hawk, exactly as if the Fire Hawk was an adjacent enemy.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 8:42PM
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The trigger for the secondary attack is that the target "takes any action that can provoke opportunity attacks."
I'm not sure how to interpret this...is it...
1. The target takes an action that does provoke from either an ally or yourself
2. The target takes an action that, under the right circumstances, would provoke from an ally or yourself--regardless of whether or not the right circumstances are met
3. Other?
Thanks so much for your help!
Any action that *CAN* provoke an OA does so from the Fire Hawk.
Basically, for every action the target takes, check to see if that *could* provoke an OA from someone.
If it could, it provokes Fire Hawk, exactly as if the Fire Hawk was an adjacent enemy.
I think your emphasis on can and your addition of "from someone" are slightly at odds.
If a creature is in the middle of a room and moves a square, that is an action that can provoke an AO. But if no one is adjacent/has threatening reach/etc, it wouldn't be provoking an AO.
So are you saying moving without shifting/teleporting/etc triggers the secondary attack or that there must be a valid enemy that could take an OA? If that enemy had already taken its OA on this turn, would that invalidate the Fire Hawk?
I'm inclined to think the Fire Hawk can trigger in the absence of an enemy that could make the AO. Specifically, a creature in isolation, in range of the Fire Hawk, using a Ranged power would satisfy the trigger.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 04, 2010 - 8:54PM
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I think your emphasis on can and your addition of "from someone" are slightly at odds.
If a creature is in the middle of a room and moves a square, that is an action that can provoke an AO. But if no one is adjacent/has threatening reach/etc, it wouldn't be provoking an AO.
But, given a creature in the right position, it *could* provoke. Since the action *can* provoke, it does provoke from Fire Hawk.
So are you saying moving without shifting/teleporting/etc triggers the secondary attack or that there must be a valid enemy that could take an OA? If that enemy had already taken its OA on this turn, would that invalidate the Fire Hawk?
Moving without Shifting/Teleporting *could* provoke, so it provokes from Fire Hawk. This is not even a remotely extreme interpretation.
I'm inclined to think the Fire Hawk can trigger in the absence of an enemy that could make the AO. Specifically, a creature in isolation, in range of the Fire Hawk, using a Ranged power would satisfy the trigger.
That's what Fire Hawk *says* happens, so that's what happens.
Anything that *could* provoke an OA from a "real enemy" provokes from Fire Hawk.
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