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13 months ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 10:45AM
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Thanks Rj, That's what I had usually assumed, but I wanted some confirmation. Since Compendium is most often considered the most recent rules source, and since "Boiling Cloud" has both parts listed as daily, I thought my view might have been outdated.
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13 months ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 2:17PM
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Thanks Rj, That's what I had usually assumed, but I wanted some confirmation. Since Compendium is most often considered the most recent rules source, and since "Boiling Cloud" has both parts listed as daily, I thought my view might have been outdated.
Compendium is never considered a rules source.
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13 months ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 6:42PM
#463
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Thanks Rj, That's what I had usually assumed, but I wanted some confirmation. Since Compendium is most often considered the most recent rules source, and since "Boiling Cloud" has both parts listed as daily, I thought my view might have been outdated.
Compendium is never considered a rules source.
Perhaps I mispoke, but every answer I have ever gotten from customer service or any other question about issues is that the compendium is the resource with the most up to date version of the rules and if there is a conflict between it and an original source that the compendium overrides. That to me kinda says it is a rules source, but whatever.
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13 months ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 6:46PM
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Thanks Rj, That's what I had usually assumed, but I wanted some confirmation. Since Compendium is most often considered the most recent rules source, and since "Boiling Cloud" has both parts listed as daily, I thought my view might have been outdated.
Compendium is never considered a rules source.
Perhaps I mispoke, but every answer I have ever gotten from customer service or any other question about issues is that the compendium is the resource with the most up to date version of the rules and if there is a conflict between it and an original source that the compendium overrides. That to me kinda says it is a rules source, but whatever.
Customer Service is roughly equivalent to reading entrails. The source material is always correct. Period. The compendium is a mostly correct reference for the rules, but it is not a rules source. Ever.
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13 months ago ::
May 25, 2012 - 7:45PM
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Customer Service is roughly equivalent to reading entrails.
I believe that Alcestis has a running tally on questions he has submitted to Customer Service, and that running tally has a handful of correct answers, and several times as many incorrect answers. I want to say it was something like 3 or 4 to twenty-something incorrect.
The source material is always correct. Period. The compendium is a mostly correct reference for the rules, but it is not a rules source. Ever.
To expand on this: the source material and any erratta are correct. The Compendium, while a useful tool, is not the source material, and is maintained by tech people, not people who play the game. It's a valuable tool, but errors do crop up. For example, the Warden D1 power Form of Winter's Herald is listed by the Compendium as a Daily, with an Encouter power that can be used only when the daily is active. Now, Polymorph doesn't specify an ending time (Stances, for example, automatically end at the end of an encounter), so a player could convince their DM that they activate the form at the start of the day and remain in it all day, giving them the ability to use the Form of Winter's Herald Attack once per encouter (more, if they have ways to recharge encounter powers). However, in the original book, the Form of Winter's Herald Attack is listed as a Daily, which prevents this sort of cheesing.
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13 months ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 12:16AM
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315 to 12 is the current, and probably final, tally. That is I have asked 327 question to which the answers were known and unambigious (had been explicitly FAQed, etc.). They got 12 right and 315 wrong.
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13 months ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 12:51AM
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So they've gotten nearly 4% of the questions they've been asked right. Pretty telling.
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13 months ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 8:19AM
#468
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To expand on this: the source material and any erratta are correct. The Compendium, while a useful tool, is not the source material, and is maintained by tech people, not people who play the game. It's a valuable tool, but errors do crop up. For example, the Warden D1 power Form of Winter's Herald is listed by the Compendium as a Daily, with an Encouter power that can be used only when the daily is active. Now, Polymorph doesn't specify an ending time (Stances, for example, automatically end at the end of an encounter), so a player could convince their DM that they activate the form at the start of the day and remain in it all day, giving them the ability to use the Form of Winter's Herald Attack once per encouter (more, if they have ways to recharge encounter powers). However, in the original book, the Form of Winter's Herald Attack is listed as a Daily, which prevents this sort of cheesing.
lol, sounds like good odds to bet on. Yeah I understand. That's why I wanted to make sure that I wasn't thinking in an old "pattern". I can't imagine how anyone would ever try to convince their dm that the polymorph form could last all day. Nothing lasts longer than 5 minutes unless it says otherwise.
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13 months ago ::
May 26, 2012 - 11:20AM
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That isn't actually true. Zones/Summons/Stances (unless they are at-will) all last till end of encounter or five minutes. But each of those specific game elements says that. There is no general rule that everything ends after five minutes.
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13 months ago ::
May 31, 2012 - 12:50PM
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After playing around with some dwarf builds and looking at this handbook, I'm a bit confused. Appropos to the discussion, it revolves around the compendium and character builder.
The compendium and CB both list dwarves as having a "dwarven resilience" encounter power instead of a racial feature. This would obviously make stacking multiple second wind uses much less viable without burning a feat first on the ability to use it as an immediate interrupt or free action.
My PHB doesn't have any such encounter power. It's just a racial feature. Nothing in the compiled errata indicates that my older PHB is wrong about this. The only thing I'm unsure of is whether the race was republished in a source I don't have (maybe an essentials book?) with the encounter power wording.
Relevant to the handbook: if dwarven resilience is now an encounter power, either Strongheart Warrior (epic, free action) or Resilience of Stone (heroic, immediate interrupt) become sky-blue almost gold IMO for a dwarf. Both require martial multiclass, but a dwarf interested in stacking second winds will be doing that anyway.
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