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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 6:49PM
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1) What is the sequence of this power? Is it Attack-Teleport- Damage (if hit target)-ongoing damage to adjacent enemies? Or is it Teleport-Attack-Damage (if hit target)-ongoing damage to adjacent enemies.?
2) Can you choose to not take the effect?
It would be cool if I could decide whether i wanted to teleport first and attack or choose not to teleport at all.
Thanks in advance for the help!
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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 6:51PM
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In general, a power's steps occur from the top down; so, first you teleport (if you want), then you attack and, if successful, perform the hit line, then every enemy adjacent to you gets ongoing damage.
Any power that enables you to move or teleport, you can always choose to move/teleport fewer squares than listed, including zero.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 6:56PM
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Awesome! Thanks Salla for the quick reply! As always this forum rocks!
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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 8:30PM
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In general, a power's steps occur from the top down; so, first you teleport (if you want), then you attack and, if successful, perform the hit line, then every enemy adjacent to you gets ongoing damage.
Whoa... what? The teleport is not the first line of the power. It's in the effect line between the attack and damage. It's Target, Attack, Effect (teleport), Hit, Effect (ongoing).
The sequence is:
1: Target a creature within melee range
2: Attack said target
3: Effect line: teleport
4: Resolve damage to target (if any)
5: Cause ongoign damage to all enemies adjacent to you.
You even said to go top down and there's no teleport before the target and attack.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 8:44PM
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The effect: Teleport line is before the Hit line; you can't know if you use the Hit line until you attack, so it's Effect-Attack-Effect.
Another day, another three or four entries to my Ignore List.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 8:51PM
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Just so everyone is on the same page.
Daily  Arcane, Teleportation, Thunder, Weapon
Standard Action Melee weapon Target: One creature Attack: Intelligence vs. Fortitude Effect: Teleport a number of squares equal to your Constitution modifier. Hit: 2[W] + Intelligence modifier thunder damage. Effect: Each enemy adjacent to you gains ongoing 5 thunder damage (save ends).
"At a certain point, one simply has to accept that some folks will see what they want to see..." Dragon 387
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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 9:04PM
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If that is indeed the wording, i'm confused. Is it:
Target an enemy
Roll
Teleport
Check to see if the power hit
(Apply damage if it hit)
Damage adjacent enemies?
Put another way, what exactly does the "Attack: Int vs. Fort" line do in terms of the stack of plates?
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3 years ago ::
Mar 22, 2010 - 9:24PM
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Going by the flavor "As you pass unseen through dimensional space, you leave in your wake a thunderous roar that bombards enemies upon your arrival." I think you are supposed to attack someone in melee range, hit (or miss) them, teleport, and apply the 5 ongoing thunder damage to each adjacent enemy at your teleport destination.
It certainly is an oddly formatted power though (note it is ~20 issues old and therefore we might expect some inconsistencies).
"At a certain point, one simply has to accept that some folks will see what they want to see..." Dragon 387
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3 years ago ::
Mar 23, 2010 - 5:26AM
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Jul 16, 2002
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Yes, you target and roll to hit then teleport, then roll damage (if you hit). It seems odd at first, but it can be handy against monsters that either do something when bloodied or drop to 0 because after you roll to hit you teleport away before dealing the damage. The effect: Teleport line is before the Hit line; you can't know if you use the Hit line until you attack, so it's Effect-Attack-Effect.
Sure you can. You're not attacking someone who's at distance. It's a melee range power. You're attacking one target that you're within melee range of then teleporting and causing ongoing damage. If you teleport before the attack, you are using the power wrong.
So, let us say you are adjacent to enemy 1, and within teleport range you can get adjacent to enemies 2-4.
The way the power works, you roll to hit 1, then teleport into the middle of 2-4. If you hit you deal damage to 1, then cause ongoing damage to 2-4.
Sorry WOTC, you lost me with Essentials. So where I used to buy every book that came out, now I will be very choosy about what I buy. Can we just get back to real 4e? Check out the 4e Conversion Wiki. 1. Wizards fight dirty. They hit their enemies in the NADs. -- Dragon9 2. A barbarian hits people with his axe. A warlord hits people with his barbarian. 3. Boo-freakin'-hoo, ya light-slingin' finger-wigglers. -- MrCelcius in response to the Cleric's Healer's Lore nerf
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3 years ago ::
Mar 23, 2010 - 7:11AM
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Are there ANY powers with effect lines above attack lines?
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