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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 6:50PM
#211
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I would expect them to clarify what has been a contentious issue for over 2 years.
You don't agree?
Both side make solid points in their cases...we all know how it supposed to be played...we just need WotC to step up and write it down clear so this does not ocome up again and again.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 7:10PM
#212
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I would expect them to clarify what has been a contentious issue for over 2 years.
You don't agree?
Both side make solid points in their cases...we all know how it supposed to be played...we just need WotC to step up and write it down clear so this does not ocome up again and again.
No, I don't agree. I think the way this works is rather obvious - the concept of being able to use an Action Point and yet be denied your gained action because you are dazed is ... bizarre.
I fully understand the reading that takes a few folks down that incorrect road, but because it really is misguided, I don't really expect WotC to feel obligated to clear this up in the FAQ (certainly not in a rules update).
Maybe they will, and I won't argue that this would be helpful.
That said, if you really want a FAQ update, ask for it from WotC. Send in a note to CustServ and actually request that they forward your note for consideration for a FAQ update.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 7:25PM
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Basically you can move twice, attack twice, move and attack, etc; so long as you are still following the Dazed rules.
Isn't this the part where we start arguing about what this sentence means? :D
Edit: To clarify, don't the Dazed rules state you can take a move action, a standard action, or a minor action on your turn? Or is Jamie referring to the other Dazed rules?
wow I didn't even realise that they answered like that. They didn't clarify what the daze rule was
Read their whole reply, not just the fragment in your post:
#192
I did read the whole thing. I was commenting on what someone else pointed out. The answer really wasn't a answer because he didn't define what following the rules of daze was
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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 7:46PM
#214
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WoTC is going to have to write a book of errata to satisfy some of you. Honestly...
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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 7:46PM
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Basically you can move twice, attack twice, move and attack, etc; so long as you are still following the Dazed rules.
Isn't this the part where we start arguing about what this sentence means? :D
Edit: To clarify, don't the Dazed rules state you can take a move action, a standard action, or a minor action on your turn? Or is Jamie referring to the other Dazed rules?
wow I didn't even realise that they answered like that. They didn't clarify what the daze rule was
Read their whole reply, not just the fragment in your post:
#192
I did read the whole thing. I was commenting on what someone else pointed out. The answer really wasn't a answer because he didn't define what following the rules of daze was
Oh, sheesh. The answer was crystal clear, though in three parts.
Part 1, background info and setting the context for the rest of the answer: Dazed allows for you to take either a standard action, a move action, or a minor action on your turn (you can also take free actions).
Part 2, the core of the answer: When you use your action point you can then also take either a standard action, a move action, or a minor action on your turn (you can also take free actions). [This is in the context of while Dazed]
Part 3, the extra comment that was included:
Basically you can move twice, attack twice, move and attack, etc; so long as you are still following the Dazed rules. [This makes sense in context, but is poorly worded. He should have simply left out "...so long as you are still following the Dazed rules." as it adds no value]
Bottom line, the question was answered fully and competely.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 7:51PM
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And when combined with this thread, enough over-explanation to satify the Supreme Court of the United States.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 06, 2010 - 8:01PM
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I think this feels more like a filibuster in the Senate than appearing before the Supreme Court. =)
"At a certain point, one simply has to accept that some folks will see what they want to see..." Dragon 387
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3 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2010 - 3:53AM
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That answer from CS is crystal clear. Clear clear clear....Clearly wrong as per RAW. But don't worry, it isn't the first time. I have no problem with the outcome of the answer. Where i have a problem, is the guy making this souds RAW, instead of saying this is a change in the Rules.
It's about time this Service start to be more consistent, and reliable. It's about time they give us a competent Customer Services.
Take a look at the reputation those guys has made to themselves. I wouldn't be proud of that if i was Wizards. What if the ressources available to us to deal with complicate Rule questions aren't even able to give a reasonable answer, sometimes against RAW or their most popular ...that they don't have an answer and that your question has been submitted to the developpers....Did they've made up a game so complicated that it leaves many Rule Question just unanswerable ? Look to me like those ones just fly in the garbage.
Like LordOfWeasel said, I'll submit another one myself, so it may be taken to a higher level may be ! For this and anything else. Enought bullsh!t
Bottom line, AP let you gain an extra action. Dazed let you either take a Standard, a Move or a Minor (and Free's) Normal actions allotement has the note that an AP can be spent to gain an extra action. Dazed doesn't.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2010 - 5:20AM
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WoTC is going to have to write a book of errata to satisfy some of you. Honestly...
No, what they will have to do is sit down and say, ok, so if you are dazed, and someone does X this is what happens. But if they do Y this is what happens. And if they do Z this is what happens.
The reason they don't errata Dazed, is because there isn't any reason to.
Specific beats General. The specific rule of Action point, it grants you an extra action that turn.
Dazed reduces the number of actions your normally get to one of the three. It doesn't say you can ONLY take one of the three.
Which is the big difference. If it said ONLY one of three. Instead it's reducing the actions from 3 to 1, but Action points gives you extra.
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3 years ago ::
Apr 07, 2010 - 5:24AM
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That answer from CS is crystal clear. Clear clear clear....Clearly wrong as per RAW.
No, as per Raw it's right.
The general rule is that you can take a standard, move, minor and free actions on your turn.
Dazed is a specific rule that says the number of actions you can take on your turn is one plus free actions.
Action point says you get an extra action on your turn.
Dazed and Action Point are specific rules that effect the general rule. They aren't contradicting each other. The dazed rule is still limiting your general amount of actions on your turn to 1, action point is still giving you an extra action on your turn.
The problem comes that a lot of people are reading that Dazed only allows a person to take one action. But it doesn't actually say that. It also doesn't say anything about never being able to take more then that under any circumstances.
There is nothing anywhere that says there are times when you can't use an action point and recieve the benefits of it.
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