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3 years ago ::
Mar 29, 2010 - 9:08AM
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This is one of the reoccuring debates here. As I am on the side of the people already posted here, I'll let SUO come in and explain his cards to you.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 29, 2010 - 9:10AM
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This is one of the reoccuring debates here. As I am on the side of the people already posted here, I'll let SUO come in and explain his cards to you.
Speak not the name of the Beast lest you summon him!
"At a certain point, one simply has to accept that some folks will see what they want to see..." Dragon 387
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3 years ago ::
Mar 29, 2010 - 10:16AM
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Date Joined:
Jun 15, 2004
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From the PHB FAQ (if desired): "29. Can I spend an action point while I'm dazed?
Yes. Spending an action point is a free action, and you can take free actions while you're dazed."(edit: no additional debate is needed anymore... if this helps you, great. If not, no worries)
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3 years ago ::
Mar 29, 2010 - 10:37AM
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And so it begins...
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3 years ago ::
Mar 29, 2010 - 4:25PM
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Date Joined:
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Heere we go again !
I am in the opinion that you'd be granted this extra action, but would still be limited to spend either a Standart, a Move or a Minor, regardless of what's available to you while Dazed.
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Mar 29, 2010 - 5:39PM
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From the PHB FAQ (if desired):
"29. Can I spend an action point while I'm dazed?
Yes. Spending an action point is a free action, and you can take free actions while you're dazed."
(edit: no additional debate is needed anymore... if this helps you, great. If not, no worries)
Obligatory: "Being able to spend an Action Point is not the same as being able to take an extra action. After all, Action points do *lots* of extra things for some characters"
This argument is transparently not RAI, but actually has a fair point to being RAW.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 30, 2010 - 3:51AM
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Date Joined:
Oct 12, 2009
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From the PHB FAQ (if desired):
"29. Can I spend an action point while I'm dazed?
Yes. Spending an action point is a free action, and you can take free actions while you're dazed."
(edit: no additional debate is needed anymore... if this helps you, great. If not, no worries)
Yes you can spend it, but can you take the extra action? That is the unasked and unanswered question in the FaQ.
Don't get me wrong. I do think you get and can use the action. The FaQ is just lacking in its answer. It should go the slight extra distance and say that you can use the extra action granted becasue as LoW mentiones, there are many reasons to spend the AP.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 30, 2010 - 7:53AM
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Date Joined:
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From the PHB FAQ (if desired):
"29. Can I spend an action point while I'm dazed?
Yes. Spending an action point is a free action, and you can take free actions while you're dazed."
(edit: no additional debate is needed anymore... if this helps you, great. If not, no worries)
Obligatory: "Being able to spend an Action Point is not the same as being able to take an extra action. After all, Action points do *lots* of extra things for some characters"
This argument is transparently not RAI, but actually has a fair point to being RAW.
It's pushing it even to be RAW.
"During your turn: You can spend an action point only during your turn, but never during a surprise round.
Gain an extra action: You gain an extra action this turn. You decide if the action is a standard action, a move action, or a minor action."
It would require a very clear exception to allow one to spend an action point and yet not gain an action. Daze most certainly is not such a case.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 30, 2010 - 8:06AM
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From the PHB FAQ (if desired):
"29. Can I spend an action point while I'm dazed?
Yes. Spending an action point is a free action, and you can take free actions while you're dazed."
(edit: no additional debate is needed anymore... if this helps you, great. If not, no worries)
Obligatory: "Being able to spend an Action Point is not the same as being able to take an extra action. After all, Action points do *lots* of extra things for some characters"
This argument is transparently not RAI, but actually has a fair point to being RAW.
It's pushing it even to be RAW.
"During your turn: You can spend an action point only during your turn, but never during a surprise round.
Gain an extra action: You gain an extra action this turn. You decide if the action is a standard action, a move action, or a minor action."
It would require a very clear exception to allow one to spend an action point and yet not gain an action. Daze most certainly is not such a case.
The argument is that the wording of Action Point - "gain an extra action" does not supercede Dazed's limits on the number of actions you can TAKE, regardless of how many you have.
I'm on your side, honestly, but I can see where they're coming from.
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3 years ago ::
Mar 30, 2010 - 9:08AM
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From the PHB FAQ (if desired):
"29. Can I spend an action point while I'm dazed?
Yes. Spending an action point is a free action, and you can take free actions while you're dazed."
(edit: no additional debate is needed anymore... if this helps you, great. If not, no worries)
Obligatory: "Being able to spend an Action Point is not the same as being able to take an extra action. After all, Action points do *lots* of extra things for some characters"
This argument is transparently not RAI, but actually has a fair point to being RAW.
It's pushing it even to be RAW.
"During your turn: You can spend an action point only during your turn, but never during a surprise round.
Gain an extra action: You gain an extra action this turn. You decide if the action is a standard action, a move action, or a minor action."
It would require a very clear exception to allow one to spend an action point and yet not gain an action. Daze most certainly is not such a case.
The argument is that the wording of Action Point - "gain an extra action" does not supercede Dazed's limits on the number of actions you can TAKE, regardless of how many you have.
I'm on your side, honestly, but I can see where they're coming from.
and you would think when they did a FAQ on daze and using a action point they would say you can use a action point and you can use the extra action, or not use the extra action instead of leaving us hanging.
Its a in the FAQ because we wanted to know if we could use the Action point to gain another action. We really didn't want to know if we could use a action point and thats it
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