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Mar 14, 2010 -- 3:06PM, dbmeboy wrote:

As the character builder is now informing me... and also saying that it doesn't work as an implement anymore also.  Oddly though, it still says that my monk with magic unarmed strikes is legal.

Additionally, I can't figure out how to dual-wield unarmed strikes anymore in the CB, though I see nothing that should prevent me from that.

Monks have Flurry of Blows which effectively replaces dual-wielding.  Right?

Mar 14, 2010 -- 4:14PM, Pierson wrote:

Personally (whether or not we're still on the same page) I'd allow a PC to take the Monk's Unarmed Strike as a feat, representing severe training to get your fists hard enough to deal 1d8. After all, no amount of money can give you an iron palm.

This is as opposed to buying the Spiked Gauntlet which lets you deal 1d6 damage, without the cost of a feat for proficiency.

So, I'd just as soon let my players take the feat. If it can't be enchanted or made magical, it'll only come into use if I strip them of their weapons.

I seriously wouldn't allow that, considering it's way more powerful than the brawler style fighter only feat that increases unarmed damage to 1d6 (spiked gauntlet to 1d8), and thats a class feature that focuses and unarmed attacks and grabs!

If you go Hybrid, you can take Hybrid Talent to pick up a Monk's Unarmed Combatant class feature. If you combine that with Fighter powers from MP2, you could build a monk who can grapple and who can go buckwild kung fu. The main problem is your armor class, which is a problem than can be slightly rectified at 2nd level, with the feat Unarmored Agility. If you play a Str/Dex race (Half-orc), then you can have two 18's in your attack stats. Then you simply use the features/powers of the class that benefit one with the other (Stone Fist Flurry of Blows, powers that add Dex to damage, etc.). Additionally, you get a bonus to your unarmed strikes from your magical ki focuses while using them for both classes. Actually, you'd get your enhancement bonus to all your weapon attacks from a magic ki focus. At least that's the way I read it. Could be wrong...whatever.

But in the case of taking Weapon Proficiency (Monk Unarmed Strike), it's a weapon listed in the monks Weapon Proficiencies, as well as being a class feature. The class feature states you can benefit from a ki focus' bonuses for your melee basic, whereas the weapon proficiency feat has no such benefits. The only benefit of the feat would be for a Brawler Style Fighter, who could then just go without weapons and be as good as a Fighter with a longsword. Or, you could go Tempest Fighter and be getting that +2 damage with your fist bashes. But in the end, this novel approach will eventually be bested by a guy who took no feats wielding shortswords.

Because you can't enchant your halfling monk.

Mar 14, 2010 -- 7:09PM, Damon_Tor wrote:

I haven't read the monk hybrid rules, so here's a question.

How would a character with a monk unarmed strike interact with a Brawler style fighter?  Would be be able to use the unarmed strike + the brawler attack bonus + a ki focus?

Both Monk Unarmed Strike and Brawler style are Hybrid talents, so the only way you could combine them is by Paragon Hybrid Multiclassing so you can get the second use of the Hybrid Talent feat.