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Jul 30, 2011 - 12:38PM
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Ok, for the first one point taken, but there isn't any reason that an alternative racial feature comparable to it couldn't be offered.
It depends on what exactly you mean by that. If you mean another feature that's exclusively useful to weapon-using characters and absolutely useless for implement-using classes, then yes, there are many very good reasons that such a feature should not be offered. Racial pigeon-holing is bad. Many steps have been made this edition to avoid it, and while the developers still screw up every once in a while, we should learn from their mistakes instead of repeating them.
Anyway, can anyone here imagine a Bugbear in a floppy hat and robes and NOT burst in tears from laughter!? It's hard for me for sure!....Bwahahahahaha! Hmmm...maybe I'd make one far a lark. Rofl.
It doesn't matter how silly you think that it is. I should be able to play one if I want to and not be cheated a major racial feature.
For the second one, Large is one size category up right? So technically a Large creature occupies the same 5'x5' square as a Medium or Small creature does.
I don't know where in the world you're getting this from. Large creatures take up a 2 square x 2 square space. A huge creature takes up a 3 square x 3 square space.
Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TMSpeaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask? "If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB "If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave "WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm "Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further. Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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2 years ago ::
Aug 22, 2011 - 2:33PM
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When the "official" Goblin races finally get released, I'm curious to see if they do wind up using Oversized to some degree. Just because their racial design seems to have been... intentionally unbalanced? Shot in the head, burried in a shallow grave, and had an outhouse built on top of it?
I just... don't have a lot of confidence in WotC's capacity to present balanced options (particularly races and classes) anymore, and I wonder how their "goblinoids" will fare
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2 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2011 - 3:07PM
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That's actually why i'm waffling on the never winter book, wizards has been really meh recently. After the essentials line all the energy seemed to be sucked out of them. Did a 3e Necromancer object to the new versions and level drain the design team or something?
Anyway I gotta say the bugbear is getting pretty close to workable except for one thing: Bugbear toughness. I mean not only is that bonus gonna pretty much dissapear by mid paragon, it's a bad idea to base it on strength due to racial pigeonholing and all that.
What about making it equivalent to the thoughness feat (5/10/15), but since it's a racial feature a bug bear can take toughness again to get 10/20/30.
Or just give them toughness as a bonus feat. We don't see that much.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2011 - 5:33PM
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That's actually why i'm waffling on the never winter book, wizards has been really meh recently. After the essentials line all the energy seemed to be sucked out of them. Did a 3e Necromancer object to the new versions and level drain the design team or something?
Anyway I gotta say the bugbear is getting pretty close to workable except for one thing: Bugbear toughness. I mean not only is that bonus gonna pretty much dissapear by mid paragon, it's a bad idea to base it on strength due to racial pigeonholing and all that.
What about making it equivalent to the thoughness feat (5/10/15), but since it's a racial feature a bug bear can take toughness again to get 10/20/30.
Or just give them toughness as a bonus feat. We don't see that much.
Go look at the dragonborn, then come back. Same deal. 
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2 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2011 - 6:01PM
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No it's not.
D-born add their con mod to Surge value, which is typically 1/4th the value of the max hp, thus the smaller bonus is more efficient since it applies every time they spend a surge to heal.
Secondly, using con was a bad move, it means that in order to use your racial ability you have to spend at least 2 points on con. Now while Con appeals to a broader array of classes than strength it's still pigeonholing them into con classes.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2011 - 7:43PM
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Exactly. There's (slant) precedent for how Bugbear Toughness is currently written. There isn't for how you suggested it to be written. 
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2 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2011 - 9:43PM
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... That's kinda like saying because you burned yourself on a stove, everyone else needs to jump in a bonfire.
A mistake is not a precedent, it's a warning.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 23, 2011 - 10:02PM
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Rampant's totally right here. Just because the developers did it doesn't mean that it's good. Developer mistakes are to be learned from, not repeated.
Why, yes, as a matter of fact I am the Unfailing Arbiter of All That Is Good Design (Even More So Than The Actual Developers) TMSpeaking of things that were badly designed, please check out this thread for my Minotaur fix. What have the critics said, you ask? "If any of my players ask to play a Minotaur, I'm definitely offering this as an alternative to the official version." - EmpactWB "If I ever feel like playing a Minotaur I'll know where to look!" - Undrave "WoTC if you are reading this - please take this guy's advice." - Ferol_Debtor_of_Torm "Really full of win. A minotaur that is actually attractive for more than just melee classes." - Cpt_Micha Also, check out my recent GENASI variant! If you've ever wished that your Fire Genasi could actually set stuff on fire, your Water Genasi could actually swim, or your Wind Genasi could at least glide, then look no further. Finally, check out my OPTIONS FOR EVERYONE article, an effort to give unique support to the races that WotC keeps forgetting about. Includes new racial feature options for the Changeling, Deva, Githzerai, Gnoll, Gnome, Goliath, Half-Orc, Kalashtar, Minotaur, Shadar-Kai, Thri-Kreen, Warforged and more!
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2 years ago ::
Aug 24, 2011 - 12:47PM
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Right, it is something that needs to be changed. I've been "off" of D&D for a few weeks now (which is my excuse for not going right at it)... but it needs to be different.
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2 years ago ::
Aug 28, 2011 - 8:07PM
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Next on my list is goblin reflexes.
I know people get tired of hearing this, but static defense bonuses are just about the most boring racial feature to date, and when your competition for the spot is saving throw bonuses that means something.
Consider ripping off the gnoll's pack attack.
Teamwork: You gain a +2/+3/+4 bonus to damage vs enemies who are adjacent to 2 or more of your allies.
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