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Feb 18, 2012 -- 1:36AM, svendj wrote:

Feb 17, 2012 -- 6:01PM, Drezden wrote:

I like On My Mark better than Provoke Overextension for most Warlords (especially non-Bravura ones).  On My Mark gives you 2 attacks automatically - the free attack is an effect.  The only question is whether or not the free attacks comes with a buff.  Further On My Mark can be used with Ranged weapons too, making it more flexible.  I like it a lot.

Daren

True, however provole overextension gives you, at least, your own attack and the defender interrupt for attacking someone other than you, which usually amounts to two decently powerful attacks even in a worst case scenario. The potential power level of this power (for bravura warlords) is far higher than on my mark. I guess in the end, it depends on the party setup and which allies you have with you.

Aren't you neglecting the fact you need to hit first?  That's a big part of what makes On My Mark so good -- the free attack is an effect.  If you do hit, then your ally gets anice bonus, but the attack happens even if you miss.

Your second point is spot on -- everything depends upon your party and how they play along with your particular build).  One nice thing about the Warlord in general is that there are a lot of possible choices for most powers; there is a lot of room to customize; there is not just 1 good choice every level.  So it's best to play it by ear and see what works best for you and your party.

Daren 

Feb 19, 2012 -- 3:38AM, kalil wrote:

If felt I needed to do some calculations here. Please help me find any faults or unrealitic assumptions.

Assumptions: We have a bravura lord with 20 str and 14 cha, wielding a +2 bastard sword (should give hime around 75% chance to hit). He is accompanied by a striker with 15 DPR and a chaladin with 18 cha. This should be a realistic best case for provoke overexension. There are corner cases where the forced attack can be exploited for massive damage, but this should be a sweet setup for PO. The monster is a level 7 non-elite with 50% to hit (without debuffs) and doing 15 damage on average. For simplicity I am not counting crtitcals.

I am counting the monsters DPR against the party DPR on a one-to-one basis. I think this is being generous to provoke overextension; team monster often have several times team players total hit points.

On my Mark DPR
Warlord: 0.75*(6.5+5) = 8.6 DPR 
Striker: 15 DPR
Total: 23,6 DPR

Provoke overextension DPR
Warlord: 0,75*(2*6,5 + 5) = 12,8
Striker: 0,75*0,7*15 = 7,9
Defender: 0,75*(5+4) = 6,75
Total: 27,4
Monster: 0,75*0,3*15 = 4,5
Adjusted total: 22.9 DPR 

My conclusion is that even in a group that works very well with PO it is flat out worse than OMM. If you are not a bravelord, or if you have a swordmage as defender it fall increasingly behind. 

Please do help me identify faults in my reasoning above. My bravura lord is running his first game at level 7 on wednesday  

Checking the math...

On My Mark calculations are correct...

PO calculations however...
Warlord: bad math here, .75 * (6.5*2 + 5 ) = 13.5
Striker: the bonus to damage roll (+2) was left out.  We'll add it in as +1.5 to his DPR... .75 * .7 * 16.5 = 8.7
Defender: correct, but we should round to tenth place like we have with everything else -> 6.8
Total: 29
Monster: bad math here, .75 * .3 * 15 = 3.4
Adjusted Total : 25.6