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Switch to Forum Live View A Lazy, Lazy Clever Commander: Level 16 pacifist eladrin Tactical Presence warlord/Battle Captain.
3 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2010 - 8:51AM #51
GeneralHenry
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Duncan Tanis, level 15

Human, Warlord, Adroit Explorer

Build: Tactical Warlord

Commanding Presence: Tactical Presence

Ambitious Effort: Ambitious Effort New Power

Ambitious Effort New Power: Vengeance is Mine {MP2 85}

Background: Occupation - Farmer (+2 to Nature)



FINAL ABILITY SCORES

Str 9, Con 17, Dex 11, Int 22, Wis 14, Cha 16.


STARTING ABILITY SCORES

Str 8, Con 14, Dex 10, Int 16, Wis 13, Cha 14.



AC: 29 Fort: 26 Reflex: 27 Will: 25

HP: 99 Surges: 10 Surge Value: 24


TRAINED SKILLS

Athletics +10, History +18, Heal +14, Diplomacy +15, Intimidate +15


UNTRAINED SKILLS

Acrobatics +8, Arcana +15, Bluff +12, Dungeoneering +11, Endurance +11, Insight +11, Nature +11, Perception +11, Religion +15, Stealth +8, Streetwise +12, Thievery +8


FEATS

Human: Tactical Assault

Level 1: Human Perseverance

Level 2: Saving Inspiration (retrained to Tactician's Word at Level 11)

Level 4: Lend Might

Level 6: Jack of All Trades

Level 8: Skill Swap  {dragon 383}

Level 10: Melee Training (Intelligence)

Level 11: Action Recovery

Level 12: Avenging Spirit

Level 14: Combat Commander


POWERS

Warlord at-will 1: Commander's Strike

Warlord at-will 1: Direct the Strike {MP2 83}

Warlord encounter 1: Overwhelming Force Trap {dragon 384 pg 54}

Warlord daily 1: Lead by Example

Warlord utility 2: Adaptive Stratagem

Warlord encounter 3: Shielding Retaliation

Warlord daily 5: Scent of Victory

Warlord utility 6: Reorient the Axis {MP2 88}

Warlord encounter 7: Friendly Fire {dragon 384 pg 54}

Warlord daily 9: Warlord's Recovery

Warlord utility 10: Tactical Orders {MP2 90}

Skill utility 10: Snap out of it

Warlord encounter 13: Blade Burst Trap {dragon 384 pg 55} (replaces Shielding Retaliation)

Warlord daily 15: Call to Action {dragon 384 pg 55} (replaces Lead by Example)


ITEMS

Earthhide Armor

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2010 - 11:12AM #52
Elwyndas
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Great build. I would add Fey Tactics at one point, to let an ally benefit from the fey step power.
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2010 - 3:21PM #53
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Feb 28, 2010 -- 10:05PM, Adslahnit wrote:

Bola Training would require attack rolls and Strength as a primary ability score. That goes against the intent of the build, and that is all you need to know.




You've got Str tied for your 2nd highest score at start. Str is my 2nd highest score and not the primary.
You've got a power that requires attack rolls and does damage from 11-15th and multiple ways to avoid doing that, but kept it anyway because you liked Battle Captain and didn't want to take Reserve until 16th. I've got a power that requires attack rolls and does no damage ever and don't generally intend to use except for situations where using other characters' basic attacks is impractical.

I'm perfectly comfortable violating intent with that kind of basis for it. This is CharOps after all...

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 01, 2010 - 5:40PM #54
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Aside from Heavy Blade Opportunity, I see three feat alternatives when it comes to dealing with opportunity attacks:
1.) Ninth Legion Student from Martial Power 2, which allows you to use Direct the Strike as an opportunity attack, albeit at the cost of having to wield a shield and either a one-handed pick or a one-handed spear.
2.) Covered Retreat from Dragon Magazine #381, which provides a somewhat useful repositioning benefit, though it requires the Resourceful Presence.
3.) Deft Footwork from Dragon Magazine #368, but really, how can shifting 1 square instead of making an opportunity attack be useful by any stretch of the imagination?

For a whip-and-light-shield-wielding Tactical Presence warlord, the third of these would be the only possible option, much to our chagrin.
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 02, 2010 - 7:24PM #55
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A question. I'm aware of how good the paragon path you chose is, but I was wondering if there are any decent paragon paths for this type of character that don't have a daily attack. Encounters are easy to get rid of, but the daily, not so much.

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3 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 5:00PM #56
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Nevermind . . . I had to swap up race, but I ended up going with a half-elf into Adroit Explorer. No attacks at all, no matter how far I go.
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 03, 2010 - 10:10PM #57
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Feb 24, 2010 -- 7:36AM, Nelphine wrote:

Ah ha!  My theme has been used by another!

I've been using a variation on this build every time I made an 'idea' party that was level 17 or higher (due to the 2 level 13 encounter powers that already existed that didn't require attack rolls, and at level 15 I had 3 daily powers that didn't require attack rolls); although, my variation actually starts to work at level 11, it always felt silly since it had tons of encounter powers that had attack rolls that I simply never bothered to use.

However I make one very large difference in my theme:

Your Taclord must NOT be a Battle Captain.  Far more effective for the lazy lazy commander is:

Guildmaster Thief (note that being MC rogue grants you access to the third non attack daily power (pre MP2 and that Class Act article) and also grants uilities like Sneak in the Attack, which further extend your 'you! Hit this guy!' niche).   Not only do you never make attack rolls, you also freely hand out your AP rolls to other people, thus granting more of your awesome AP benefits to party mates!

Admittedly you lose out the massive +to hit that comes from Battle Captain inspiring words, but since you are solely focusing on getting other people to do things, going 18 Int pre-racial is the way to go, which combines with Tactician's Word quite nicely to allow your inspiring words to at least give a nice boost, even if it's not the super mega boost that Battle Captain does.  And if your party mates all happen to be +hit monsters, Battle Captain might be overkill anyway.  (Not that ally party mates will be plus hit monsters.  Especially not Axe Wielding Barbarians.  But that's another story.)

Guildmaster Thief also asks that you take Cha as your secondary stat, so that you can grant the Flanking Damage bonus at level 16, which I think is a reasonable replacement of the Battle Captain +hit (at some point, damage is always useful, whereas +hit eventually is redundant), and that allows for my Gnome Warlord wielding a Non-Proficient Whip and wearing Non-Proficient Plate!

Hurrah for the lazy! 



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3 years ago  ::  Mar 06, 2010 - 4:19PM #58
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Could you post the original shaman|warlord/invoker build? Or would hybridising with shaman offer cool new options? I would love the hybrid flavor!
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2010 - 9:26PM #59
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I'm actually thinking of going Githzerai for race instead of Eladrin because in PHB3 they actually get to choose between Dex and Int as the second stat bump. So 20 Int is still possible.

You do give up the teleport but get +2 Init and Iron Mind to help defend yourself. Also you get access to the paragon Feat Shared Danger Sense for an additional +2 to allies Init for a total of +8 along with Combat Commander. So you should go first alot.

Also you would be a being from the Astral planes telling lesser mortals what to do.
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3 years ago  ::  Mar 16, 2010 - 10:33PM #60
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This build, by the way, is the best DMPC ever--making a meaningful contribution to the party, but letting the real PCs feel like they're doing all the work!
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