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9 months ago  ::  Sep 14, 2012 - 11:12AM #1421
erachima
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See "unlikely to actually happen". What it needs is a rating like several powers in the Avenger's handbook, which have ratings based on how your DM reads them.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 14, 2012 - 11:13AM #1422
Firebug2006
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You are right, it should have "or" instead of "and" in the hit line between the main hand and offhand damage rolls.  Strict RAW, if you hit with your mainhand you deal damage with both weapons, then if you hit with your offhand you deal damage with both weapons.  Although I am undecided whether it is a single damage roll or two damage rolls.  I could see arguments either way.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 14, 2012 - 11:14AM #1423
erachima
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Two damage rolls. No question on that point. And no,  just changing the conjunction isn't going to fix the problems with that power. As with most of the PHB1 Ranger list, what it needs is completely rephrased, because it was written by a guy who either didn't understand the rules of the game at all, or one who understood the rules of the game at the time, but those rules were not the ones that went to publication.
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9 months ago  ::  Sep 14, 2012 - 6:41PM #1424
Armond436
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Sep 13, 2012 -- 2:23PM, erachima wrote:

Claws of the Griffon is a quad-hitter if you take its Hit line seriously, though that's unlikely to actually happen.




Do you mean oct-hitter?

Two targets, two attacks each, two rolls per attack. Two cubed is eight.

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9 months ago  ::  Sep 14, 2012 - 10:02PM #1425
erachima
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Nope. I was only referring to the bit in the hit line, not the broader problem that the RC broke all the Ranger's powers.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 2:00PM #1426
Talitha
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Where in the description for Split the Tree do you see the hit damage being split between the two targets? As far as I can tell, the full damage is applied to both, making this power deal pretty reliable and solid damage.
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8 months ago  ::  Oct 06, 2012 - 2:09PM #1427
Zathris
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You don't split the damage between the targets in the manner you're thinking.

Split the Tree is 2 attacks, so you do damage for each time you hit. However, unlike Two-Fanged Strike or even Twin Strike, Split the Tree has to be against different targets; so instead of doing all of your damage to one target you are splitting the total damage (2 attacks) between two targets (1 attack per target). That's what people mean when they say split damage.

Until you can reach the point where you're killing multiple targets per round, Single Target damage is better than Burst/Multi-Target/Split damage.
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6 months ago  ::  Nov 30, 2012 - 12:09PM #1428
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I know you are not found of the mechanic LDB, but for a Human Ranger/Fighter hybrid, melee, what do you think of Shock Trooper vs Blade Dancer vs Pathfinder.  Group is Elf Archer Ranger, Human Wizard Summoner, Dwarf Resourceful Warlord, Deva Sun Priest.  Want to try a different defender, and with so much healing on tap figure might not need a straight defender.  

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6 months ago  ::  Dec 20, 2012 - 8:57PM #1429
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If you're an elf, is there any reason to take bastard swords over scimitars? You can take Valenar Weapon Training, which gives you a +2/+3/+4 which by my calculations is roughly equivalent in damage to a bastard sword w/ weapon focus but you only have to take one feat instead of two. Considering how feat starved most ranger builds are, this might be a good idea I think.
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6 months ago  ::  Dec 20, 2012 - 9:04PM #1430
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Dec 20, 2012 -- 8:57PM, Stardock wrote:

If you're an elf, is there any reason to take bastard swords over scimitars? You can take Valenar Weapon Training, which gives you a +2/+3/+4 which by my calculations is roughly equivalent in damage to a bastard sword w/ weapon focus but you only have to take one feat instead of two. Considering how feat starved most ranger builds are, this might be a good idea I think.




Scimitars weapon proficiency is only +2 while the bastard sword is +3. Bastard sword will always be more accurate, thus more damaging.

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