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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 6:49AM
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A minion can not be on 0.
If it takes any damage, it is destroyed. Not down, unconcious, dying. Destroyed.
Note, they also dont have a bloodied value on their stats.
Every monsters get reduced to 0 Hit Points. The main difference between PC and monsters is that they are slain when reduced to 0 or fewer hit points. They are destroyed. Minion or not. But everyone reducing any monsters to 0 HP or lower can decide to knock him Uncouncious instead. This rule apply to all monsters, regardless if they have 1 or 788 HP IIRC.
Minions don't have Bloodied value because they are destroyed when reaching 0 HP. But it's possible to bloody a Minion by knocking him Uncouncious. I don't have my book with me but Minions would not be immune to being knocked uncouncious unless it says "when you reduce a Non-Minion monsters to 0 or fewer HP...". If not, they are bloodied by being still alive at half their total HP.
I will have to look tonight.
I think the thread was started in regard to effects which trigger "when you bloody an enemy" rather than effects which only happen "against bloodied enemies".
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 6:50AM
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I understand what you guys are saying. I just disagree lol. Are there any monster effects anywhere that state when a minion is bloodied? Anything that says anything about a minion being bloodied at all? Isn't that the least bit curious? You guys are using the logic (which is risky in anything D&D related) of a pact boon going off to support your stance, and that is fine. I simply disagree. I'd also point out that 0 or less isn't bloodied....it's dying but I don't play warlocks, and currently have no characters that this issue would impact, so I really don't have a dog in this fight lol.
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 6:56AM
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Bloodied is <1/2. -5 HP is indeed less than half.
Yes this means that you are still bloodied while dying, and this is what made the Cleric power "Consecrated Ground" so imba and abusive.
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 7:04AM
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Yes.....I understand. I've read it. Now, why is it that you think that bypasses what minions say, what dying says and what death says? If the minion takes 2 points of damage, it isn't bloodied, it is dead.
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 7:26AM
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Yes.....I understand. I've read it. Now, why is it that you think that bypasses what minions say, what dying says and what death says? If the minion takes 2 points of damage, it isn't bloodied, it is dead.
By that logic you don't bloody an enemy with an attack that reduces him from 51% or more hp to 0%hp or less regardless if minion or not.
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 7:29AM
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I agree with Imperius, but not with his logic. In fact, I think the logic used against him is the best argument on his behalf thusfar.
Minions have HP listed, and are destroyed if they take any damage, but take no damage from a miss effect - this is all listed on their profile, you don't need to reference the minion rules for this.
They do not, however, have a bloodied value listed - and there is no rule that suggests that all creatures have bloodied values or are subject to the bloodied condition. The PHB lists rules for bloodied value when creating player characters and the MM lists rules for bloodied value on monster profiles, which minions do not have.
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 7:33AM
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Yes.....I understand. I've read it. Now, why is it that you think that bypasses what minions say, what dying says and what death says? If the minion takes 2 points of damage, it isn't bloodied, it is dead.
By that logic you don't bloody an enemy with an attack that reduces him from 51% or more hp to 0%hp or less regardless if minion or not.
No, I was using the death rules......it states if you are reduced to 0, you are unconcious and dying. If you reach your bloodied value into the negative, you are dead. A minion has 1 HP, so if .5 is bloodided....is it -.5 rounded down to -1 or rounded down to 0....either way, he is dead with 2 points of damage. I've been up all night, so maybe I'm crazy.
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 7:45AM
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Yeah but if you can knock him Uncouncious, he will be bloodied at 0HP, like any creature in the game.
What the rules for knocking Uncouncious says ?
Yan
Montréal, Canada
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 7:49AM
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Yeah but if you can knock him Uncouncious, he will be bloodied at 0HP, like any creature in the game.
What the rules for knocking Uncouncious says ?
I keep going back to this, and as FlashbackJon also pointed out, if they take any damage, they are destroyed. If you choose to KO it, it is still taking damage therefore it is destroyed.
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3 years ago ::
Feb 16, 2010 - 7:59AM
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Sorry for repeating myself here...
If a minion can be reduced to 0 HP (see pact boon trigger), and going on the premise that 0HP is less than 1/2, then whether it is destroyed or not, the act of it going to 0HP will trigger a bloodied effect where applicable, and destroy the minion.
The remaining question is whether a minion is bloodied on 0 HP.
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