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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 8:31AM
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To further clarify (or complicate), if you are using a spiked shield, and have it enchanted as a weapon, then you get the benefit of the magic weapon as well as the benefit of your magic arm slot item.
Only if the shield is enchanted as a shield, do you not get its bonus.
Which, IMHO, really is further messing with shield fighters vs TWF. As is you can get a higher bonus with TWD, defensive weapon and rythem enchant then you can with a heavy shield, magical or otherwise. The fact it takes up both the off hand (to hold) and the arm slot if it's magical really is too high a cost. As such, I'd houserule it to count as the offhand slot, just as it is in the character builder.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 8:49AM
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Apr 22, 2001
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If you could find a *weapon* enchantment with that property, then it could be used in conjunction with the arms enchantment.
Notably, you can enchant a spiked shield as a Farbond Spellblade, allowing you to have a throwable shield and armbands at the same time.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:27AM
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Aug 27, 2009
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Notably, you can enchant a spiked shield as a Farbond Spellblade, allowing you to have a throwable shield and armbands at the same time.
Good call. Thanks for doing the legwork for my lazyness.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 9:57AM
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Jan 27, 2008
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As is you can get a higher bonus with TWD, defensive weapon and rythem enchant then you can with a heavy shield, magical or otherwise.
That gives you a +3 bonus, Shield Specialization rases a heavy shield to +3,
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 10:01AM
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Jan 24, 2009
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As is you can get a higher bonus with TWD, defensive weapon and rythem enchant then you can with a heavy shield, magical or otherwise.
That gives you a +3 bonus, Shield Specialization rases a heavy shield to +3,
That provides a feat bonus, which would not stack with any of the Armor Spec feats.
With TWD, defensive property, and rhythm, you can still take an armor spec for 4 extra ac.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 10:12AM
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Jan 27, 2008
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As is you can get a higher bonus with TWD, defensive weapon and rythem enchant then you can with a heavy shield, magical or otherwise.
That gives you a +3 bonus, Shield Specialization rases a heavy shield to +3,
That provides a feat bonus, which would not stack with any of the Armor Spec feats.
With TWD, defensive property, and rhythm, you can still take an armor spec for 4 extra ac.
True but (s)he did not mention those feats either. Though if you consider other options, it is possible to get you shields that apply their bonus to other defenses (of course the only one I know of is lv. 30, but it grants grants a shield bonus ot all 4 defenses)
Though the thing I am curious about is if there is any way to get a Heavy Shield in your main-hand, and a defensive weapon in your off-hand.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 10:32AM
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Jan 24, 2009
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Though the thing I am curious about is if there is any way to get a Heavy Shield in your main-hand, and a defensive weapon in your off-hand.
The defensive property requires two weapons to be weilded... so you could do it with a spiked shield, but not a heavy shield.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 10:36AM
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Well there's also the fact that it's a pretty heavy feat investment to get all that extra AC; Two Weapon Fighting, Two Weapon Defense, and possibly a Superior Weapon Proficiency to get a defensive weapon. Sure it's a bigger bonus than a heavy shield, however, the heavy shield user would have 3 feats to spend on the plethora of good feats out there.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 11:12AM
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Jan 27, 2008
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Though the thing I am curious about is if there is any way to get a Heavy Shield in your main-hand, and a defensive weapon in your off-hand.
The defensive property requires two weapons to be weilded... so you could do it with a spiked shield, but not a heavy shield.
sorry, I should have said rhythm weapon.
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3 years ago ::
Jan 12, 2010 - 11:56AM
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A +1 Rhythm Blade spiked shield is better than a mundane heavy shield in every respect. They both give +2 AC and +2 reflex, but the spiked shield is easier to qualify for as long as you aren't using it as your main weapon. Cost is an issue, but at a certain point 680 gp stops meaning all that much.
_____ Cutting Wheel in main hand - defensive +1 AC
Rhythm Blade Spiked Shield in off hand - +2 AC, +2 Reflex
Fortunately Two-Weapon Defense won't work with shields, as it grants a shield bonus as well.
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