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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 11:42AM #1481
Talamare
Date Joined: May 12, 2009
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 11:34AM, Sotomatic wrote:

For CA to be assumed in DPR calculations you have to be able to get it yourself.



If you need combat advantage(rogues mostly) then assume it's  there.  If you assume Combat Advantage your DPR will be marked  accordingly.   It is better to generate your own combat advantage in  some fashion rather than needing to rely on party cooperation which can  fail.




Not according to the rules, Hes free to put the "CA" tag on it

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 2:10PM #1482
Sotomatic
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For wolf Pack you are also asuming that there are 2 allies adjacent?
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 2:15PM #1483
borg285
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Sep 12, 2011 -- 10:10PM, Styrx wrote:



My build bases on the Character Builder. The Resurgent Wilder Volatile Surges (16th level) Feature says here: "Your at-will attack powers can score a critical hit..."



Update > FAQ > Books > Compendium.  Thank you for your wonderful work and collaberative effort.

I'm updating this thread today.  YAY.  Look forward to my post saying I"m done. 

DPR King Candidates 3.0
How much damage should I shoot for? Show

You're fired          : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker          : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please     : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR

DPR?  KPR?  KP4R?  Bless you Show

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round.  1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
       = DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds.  How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 2:16PM #1484
Talamare
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 2:10PM, Sotomatic wrote:

For wolf Pack you are also asuming that there are 2 allies adjacent?




Mount counts as an Ally, so Mount + The guy youre flanking with

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 2:40PM #1485
onecrazymojo
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 2:16PM, Talamare wrote:

Oct 22, 2011 -- 2:10PM, Sotomatic wrote:

For wolf Pack you are also asuming that there are 2 allies adjacent?




Mount counts as an Ally, so Mount + The guy youre flanking with




Not if you are on the mount. Adjacent is specifically defined on the RC. For two creatures to be adjacent, they must occupy adjacent squares. Allies in your square are not adjacent to you.

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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:02PM #1486
borg285
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Oct 20, 2011 -- 5:19AM, argheifonte wrote:

A quick question: is it ammisible to enter the fight bloodied and stay bloodied all the encounter long(in the case of ranged character) to take some advantage in order of DPR?



Yes.  I'll put the Bloodied marker on your DPR.

DPR King Candidates 3.0
How much damage should I shoot for? Show

You're fired          : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker          : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please     : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR

DPR?  KPR?  KP4R?  Bless you Show

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round.  1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
       = DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds.  How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:02PM #1487
borg285
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Oct 18, 2011 -- 2:08AM, curiousdragon wrote:

Oct 10, 2011 -- 11:11AM, borg285 wrote:

Sep 23, 2011 -- 4:28PM, curiousdragon wrote:


[Edit: Can't get vanguard +2, oops. Going to have to use the Dire Boar]

L6: Human, Warlock|Executioner

20 Charisma (or Constitution) 17 Dexterity
-- Pack Outcast Theme
Because of Pack Outcast, I always have CA. Charge is required.
Minor Curse, Move (position), Standard Charge w/Eldritch Strike:

Mounted:
-- Feats: Spear Expertise, Sneak of Shadows, Mindbite Scorn, Surprising Charge, Killing Curse
-- Items: L7 Dire Boar, L6 Horned Helm, L5 Vanguard Lance +1 , GP Bracers of Mighty Striking

To-Hit: 3 lvl + 5 cha + 2 prof + 1 enh + 1 exp + 2 CA + 1 charge = +15 vs AC 20 = 20% miss // 75% hit // 5% crit
Damage: 5 cha + 1 SE + 1 enh + 1 versatile + 2 item + 1d10 lance + 1d10 lance (mounted+ch) + 1d10 SC + 1d8 vanguard + 1d8 attack finesse + 2d8 curse + 1d6 HH  [+ 1d8 crit] =
3d10+4d8+1d6+10 [+1d8 crit] = 48 // 82.5 crit
=> 0.75 * 48 + 0.05 * 82.5 + 0.75 * (0.55 * 20 + 0.05 * 29)   = 49.4625 DPR

Unmounted:
-- Feats: Light Blade Expertise, Sneak of Shadows, Mindbite Scorn, Surprising Charge, Killing Curse
-- Items: L7 devastating ki focus +1, L6 Horned Helm, L5 vanguard dagger +1, GP Bracers of Mighty Striking, non-magical rapier

The idea here is to have a vanguard off-hand weapon, which grants the +1d8 on charges even when not used as a weapon. You use the devastating Ki Focus (thanks to draconisorion for the idea) and a plain rapier in the attack.

To-Hit: 3 lvl + 5 cha + 3 prof + 1 enh + 1 exp + 2 CA + 1 charge = +16 vs AC 20 = 15% miss // 80% hit // 5% crit
Damage: 5 cha + 1 LBE + 2 enh + 2 item + 1d8 rapier + 1d8 SC + 1d8 vanguard + 1d8 attack finesse + 2d8 curse + 1d6 HH  [+ 1d8 crit] =
6d8+1d6+10, but all 1's and 2's are 3's = 43.25 // 68.5
=> 0.80 * 43.25 + 0.05 * 68.5  = 38.025 DPR



DPR goes down for needing to take mounted combat.




I don't need to take mounted combat -- read the errata (new rules from RC). 



You're right.  You just need to be mounted, which anybody can do.  Mounted combat simply gives you the powers of your mount.  Adding now

DPR King Candidates 3.0
How much damage should I shoot for? Show

You're fired          : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker          : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please     : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR

DPR?  KPR?  KP4R?  Bless you Show

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round.  1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
       = DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds.  How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:05PM #1488
borg285
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Oct 22, 2011 -- 2:40PM, onecrazymojo wrote:

Oct 22, 2011 -- 2:16PM, Talamare wrote:

Oct 22, 2011 -- 2:10PM, Sotomatic wrote:

For wolf Pack you are also asuming that there are 2 allies adjacent?




Mount counts as an Ally, so Mount + The guy youre flanking with




Not if you are on the mount. Adjacent is specifically defined on the RC. For two creatures to be adjacent, they must occupy adjacent squares. Allies in your square are not adjacent to you.



Please post an excerpt so we can all hum and haw at it.  Please be sure to paste in the part where it says something to the effect of "when it really matters what exact square you are in you get to pick".

DPR King Candidates 3.0
How much damage should I shoot for? Show

You're fired          : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker          : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please     : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR

DPR?  KPR?  KP4R?  Bless you Show

DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round.  1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
       = DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds.  How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:12PM #1489
Sotomatic
Date Joined: Apr 23, 2011
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Your mount takes -2 to attack rolls without mounted combat feat however.
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2 years ago  ::  Oct 22, 2011 - 3:23PM #1490
onecrazymojo
Date Joined: Feb 13, 2006
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Nope, I was wrong. Forgot that last little clause at the end was in there :s

RC 201:

"Adjacent Squares: Two squares are adjacent if a side or a corner of one touches a side or a corner of the other. Two creatures or objects are adjacent if one of them is in a square adjacent to a square occupied or filled by the other, or if they are in the same square."
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