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Feb 12, 2010 -- 12:24PM, Damon_Tor wrote:

The wording of Adaptable Breath and Breath Mastery are very simmilar:

Adaptable Breath-
Benefit: Choose a type of damage your dragon breath doesn’t already deal from among acid, cold, fire, lightning, or poison.
When you use your dragon breath racial power, you can choose to use this damage type rather than the normal damage dealt by the power. Only one damage type applies for a given dragon breath attack.

Breath Mastery (21th level): Your dragon breath power ignores any resistances or immunities possessed by the target.
Each time you use your dragon breath, you can choose for it to deal acid, cold, fire, lightning, or poison damage.

Italics are my ephasis.  Adaptable Breath does unlock the damage-type feats, while Avatar of Io does not.  I assume the CB is in error, and Avatar of Io should make the feats legal.

It's not important for my level 24 build, but for level 30 I was planning on taking the fire feats.

You stated this so well that you should reiterate this on the CB bugs forum.  Thanks for finding this.  It give me wonderful options for my sorcerer I'll be playing.

Level 24 DPR: 360.29
Cheese Used: 14=?

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Total Attack Bonus- Dragon Breath: +36.7 (95% chance to hit a Reflex of 36)
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Total Damage Bonus- Dragon Breath: 3d10 + 85.25 (106.45 Average Damage, 122.25 Crit)
    -Attack 2 Dragon Breath: 3d10 + 90 (111.2 Average Damage, 127 Crit)
    -Attack 3 Dragon Breath: 3d10 + 94.75 (115.95 Average Damage, 131.75 Crit)
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Other-
+2d6 (Crit) -  Executioner's Bracers
Roll Damage twice and use either result: Average Dice Damage increases from 16.5 to 21.45 - Ring of the Radiant Storm

Extra Damage- +41
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(.90*106.45)+(.05*122.25)+(.90*111.2)+(.05*127)+(.90*115.95)+(.05*131.75)+(31)+(10) = 360.29

Thundering Breath doesn't add the thunder keyword, thus it's not a thunder power.
Breath Mastery may make your breath qualify for thundering Breath, but that is only because it satisfies the 'deals lightning damage' requirement.

I think it'll do better than the feycharger.  It only has echoes of thunder as it's exponential powerhouse using the 5 attacks.  The question is wheather or not +5 cumulative damage per hit based on 4 hits is better than +3 cumulative damage based on 5 hits.  The nice thing about this is that there are a few ways of triggering ancient soul and it only takes a minor action to attack.  Although expensive, it is a charop standard to have and employ a ring of free time.  I'm personally opposed to their usage due to the fact that most never see it, and the DPR can be drastically skewed in their favor.  A normal feycharger can get superb DPR in early-epic, whereas builds based on the ring only see that late-epic. 

I also like the variations made possible.  You can go buffer(Bolstering Breath) and give exponential bonuses to hit.  Arcane admixture allows for the possibility to get the high DPR as well as give enough feat space to customize.

Something inside me still likes the Delbanian Vambraces due to the fact that you become invisible, you can move around, and it doesn't take 2 feats.  Sustaining 1/your turn and 2 times outside of your turn, with a held standard attack, you get 3 attacks that way w/o the necessity of deva heritage / druid.  The only trick is you must either crit or kill something to get it going.  Morninglord's pure glow is a great opening to every battle, ofcourse after a breath attack.  If there's enough foes and a 19-20 crit range you've got a great chance of getting it going on your first round.  Instead of wasting salves of power to restore a daily that does nothing but give you your breath back but takes a healing surge.  I'd much rather enter most encounters with 3 full sets of dice of auspicious fortune, trying to crit with the breath, then blazing starfal, Action Point on pure glow, and use a hopeful crit stored in the dice if that last route fails.  The dice are also great with blazing starfall and a bloodiron dagger.

Feb 12, 2010 -- 4:02PM, borg285 wrote:

Something inside me still likes the Delbanian Vambraces due to the fact that you become invisible, you can move around, and it doesn't take 2 feats.  Sustaining 1/your turn and 2 times outside of your turn, with a held standard attack, you get 3 attacks that way w/o the necessity of deva heritage / druid.  The only trick is you must either crit or kill something to get it going.  Morninglord's pure glow is a great opening to every battle, ofcourse after a breath attack.  If there's enough foes and a 19-20 crit range you've got a great chance of getting it going on your first round.  Instead of wasting salves of power to restore a daily that does nothing but give you your breath back but takes a healing surge.  I'd much rather enter most encounters with 3 full sets of dice of auspicious fortune, trying to crit with the breath, then blazing starfal, Action Point on pure glow, and use a hopeful crit stored in the dice if that last route fails.  The dice are also great with blazing starfall and a bloodiron dagger.

I like it too, and in actual gameplay it makes more sense (not locked to a zone, saves two feats, and it is annoying to have to meet the wis prereqs)  Still, for raw damage vs the cube of tofu, this is the method that works the best.

I'll be adding in Ankhmon's Bracers for the level 30 build: they add damage, but they also allow you to regain 5.5 average hitpoints with every attack, which lets you get rid of the deva heritage and radiant recovery means of mitigating the damage.  Really I should have put these into the level 24 build too, but whatever.