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Oct 23, 2011 -- 1:51PM, Talamare wrote:

Oct 23, 2011 -- 1:24PM, onecrazymojo wrote:

Lvl 1 Human Brutal Rogue 20 Dex 16 Str
Background- Gritty Sergeant Rapier, Theme- Pack Outcast
Feats- Vigilante Justice Style, Mark of Finding
Items- Rapier

Riposte Strike / MBA
+9 Attack (4 Dex, 3 Prof, 2 CA) 75% Accuracy
d8+2d6+7(4 Dex, 3 Str)10-27 [18.5] | [27] Crit
0.7*18.5 + 0.05*27 = 12.95 + 1.35 = 14.3

Riposte Interrupt
+8 Attack (3 Str, 3 Prof, 2 CA) 70% Accuracy
d8+2d6+6(3 Str, 3 Str)9-26 [17.5] | [26] Crit
0.65*17.5 + 0.05*26 = 11.375 + 1.3 = 12.675

Guarenteed DPR of 26.975, 28.6 if they draw an OA instead of stricking you or someone else.

Not exactly, because the Riposte interrupt only happens of the first swing happens, so you need to multiply the accuarcy of the first swing into the total of the Riposte

12.675 * 0.75 = 9.5

14.3 + 9.5 = 23.8

Tho I do like the idea of Vigilante + Mark of Finding

Doh! I will fix that, thanks.

Oct 23, 2011 -- 3:22PM, Talamare wrote:

Oct 23, 2011 -- 2:01PM, onecrazymojo wrote:

Lvl 6 version of the Outcast Riposte Rogue

Lvl 6 Human Brutal Rogue 19 Dex 17 Str
Background- Gritty Sergeant Rapier, Theme- Pack Outcast
Feats- Vigilante Justice Style, Mark of Finding, Light Blade Exp, Nimble Blade, Backstabber
Items- Vicious Rapier +2, Iron Armbands of Power

Riposte Strike
+16 Attack (4 Dex, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 2 Enh, 1 Feat, 1 NB, 3 Lvl) 85% Accuracy
3d8+12 (4 Dex, 3 Str, 1 LBE, 2 Enh, 2 Item)15-36 [25.5] | 38-60 [49] Crit
0.8*25.5 + 0.05*49 = 20.4 + 2.45 = 22.85

Riposte Interrupt / MBA
+15 Attack (3 Str, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 2 Enh, 1 Feat, 1 NB, 3 Lvl) 80% Accuracy
3d8+11 (3 Str, 3 Str, 1 LBE, 2 Enh, 2 Item)14-35 [24.5] | 37-59 [48] Crit
0.75*24.5 + 0.05*48 = 18.375 + 2.4 = 20.775*0.85 = 17.759

For 40.509

I suggest 20 Dex, 16 Str

+17 Attack - (5 Dex, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 2 Enh, 1 Feat, 1 NB, 3 Lvl) 90% Accuracy
3d8+13 (5 Dex, 3 Str, 1 LBE, 2 Enh, 2 Item)16-37 [26.5] | 39-61 [50] Crit

26.5 * 0.85 + 50 * 0.05 = 22.52 + 2.5 = 25.0

+15 Attack (3 Str, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 2 Enh, 1 Feat, 1 NB, 3 Lvl) 80% Accuracy
3d8+11 (3 Str, 3 Str, 1 LBE, 2 Enh, 2 Item)14-35 [24.5] | 37-59 [48] Crit
0.75*24.5 + 0.05*48 = 18.375 + 2.4 = 20.775*0.90 = 18.69

43.69

Mark of Finding really changes the whole game for Riposte

I probably should have went 20/16 for the hypothetical DPR, but i was posting it as the progression of the lvl 1 version.

Here is a Theif variant for both levels:

Lvl 1 Human Thief 20 Dex 14 Str
Background- Gritty Sergeant Rapier, Theme- Pack Outcast
Feats- Vigilante Justice Style, Mark of Finding
Items- Rapier

Riposte Strike / MBA
+10 Attack (5 Dex, 3 Prof, 2 CA) 80% Accuracy
d8+2d6+7(5 Dex, 2 Fin)10-27 [18.5] | [27] Crit
0.75*18.5 + 0.05*27 = 13.875 + 1.35 = 15.225

Riposte Interrupt
+7 Attack (2 Str, 3 Prof, 2 CA) 65% Accuracy
d8+2d6+4(2 Str, 2 Fin)7-24 [15.5] | [24] Crit
0.6*15.5 + 0.05*24 = 9.3 + 1.2 = 10.5*0.8 = 8.16

DPR 23.285 / 27.405(if they draw OA instead)

Add a generic +1 Rapier:

Riposte Strike / MBA
+11 Attack (5 Dex, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 1 Enh) 85% Accuracy
d8+2d6+8(5 Dex, 2 Fin, 1 Enh)11-28 [19.5] | 29-34[31.5] Crit
0.8*19.5 + 0.05*31.5 = 15.6 + 1.575 = 17.175

Riposte Interrupt
+8 Attack (2 Str, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 1 Enh) 70% Accuracy
d8+2d6+5(2 Str, 2 Fin, 1 Enh)8-25 [16.5] | 26-31[28.5] Crit
0.65*16.5 + 0.05*28.5 = 10.72 + 1.425 = 12.145*0.85 = 10.323

DPR 27.498 / 31.774(if they draw OA instead)

Lvl 6 Human Thief 20 Dex 16 Str
Background- Gritty Sergeant Rapier, Theme- Pack Outcast
Feats- Vigilante Justice Style, Mark of Finding, Light Blade Exp, Nimble Blade, Backstabber
Items- Vicious Rapier +2, Iron Armbands of Power

Riposte Strike / MBA
+18 Attack (5 Dex, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 2 Enh, 1 Feat, 1 NB, 3 Lvl, 1 WT) 95% Accuracy
3d8+12 (5 Dex, 2 Fin, 1 LBE, 2 Enh, 2 Item)15-36 [25.5] | 38-60 [49] Crit
0.9*25.5 + 0.05*49 = 22.95 + 2.45 = 25.4

Riposte Interrupt
+16 Attack (2 Str, 3 Prof, 2 CA, 2 Enh, 1 Feat, 1 NB, 3 Lvl, 1 WT) 85% Accuracy
3d8+10 (3 Str, 2 Fin, 1 LBE, 2 Enh, 2 Item)13-34 [22.5] | 36-58 [47] Crit
0.8*22.5 + 0.05*47 = 18 +2.35 = 20.35*.95 = 19.333

DPR 44.773 / 49.53 (if they draw OA instead)

Edits: DPR adjustments accounting for OA accuracy and changing lvl 6 stat array from 18/14 to 17/15. Credit to Talamare.

Oct 23, 2011 -- 3:51PM, Talamare wrote:

48.5 if they draw OA, you need to multiply the accuracy of the first riposte again

Since they have no reason to draw a OA if you miss with the first riposte, since you cant punish them attacking an ally

Hrmm. I guess you're right there as well. If I miss, they are just forced to attack me or attack someone else adjacent. Pulling the OA would be silly. I will go ahead and edit those as well then. Thanks!