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2 years ago ::
Dec 14, 2010 - 4:47AM
#1171
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Date Joined:
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1) My mount and I share movement modes except for teleporting.
2) When provoking an OA, I can choose to either target me or my mount - in that case I choose me as target, as I don't provoke in the first place.
1 is true but 2 is false. When you provoke an attack of opportunity while moving on your mount you do not get to choose who the attack targets (that's rather absurd actually). It's the attacker who chooses who to attack, so they can whack your mount as they please if they like (or you, it doesn't actually matter if you don't provoke OAs as the mount did, and the attacker can choose to attack either of you). See page 254 of the Rules Compendium. The only time the attacker won't get a choice is if the mount/rider provokes with an area or ranged attack, in which case the only one that can be attacked is the one that triggered the OA (they don't get to choose the mount or rider in this case).
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2 years ago ::
Dec 17, 2010 - 11:52AM
#1172
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175.94 DPR
Super Duper Knight.
Much higher then i expected for a guy who's supposed to be a sticky, hard to kill defender.
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F-111 Interdictor Long (200+ squares) distance ally teleporter. With some warlord stuff. Broken in a plot way, not a power way.
Thought Switch Higher level build that grants upto 14 attacks on turn 1. If your allies play along, it's broken.
Elven Critters Crit op with crit generation. 5 of these will end anything. Broken.
King Fisher Does an excellent job at keeping an enemy disabled in a few ways. Strong.
Boominator Fun catch-22 booming blade build with either strong or completely broken damage depending on your reading.
Very Distracting Warlock Lot's of dazing and major penalties to hit. Overpowered.
Pocket Protector Pixie Stealth Knight. Maximizing the defender's aura by being in an ally's/enemy's square.
Yakuza NinjIntimiAdin: Perma-stealth Striker that offers a little protection for ally's, and can intimidate bloodied enemies. Very Strong.
Chargeburgler with cheese Ranged attacks at the end of a charge along with perma-stealth. Solid, could be overpowered if tweaked.
Void Defender Defends giving a penalty to hit anyone but him, then removing himself from play. Can get somewhat broken in epic.
Scry and Die Attacking from around corners, while staying hidden. Moderate to broken, depending on the situation.
Skimisher Fly in, attack, and fly away. Also prevents enemies from coming close. Moderate to Broken depending on the enemy, but shouldn't make the game un-fun, as the rest of your team is at risk, and you have enough weaknesses.
Indestructible Simply won't die, even if you sleep though combat.
Sir Robin (Bravely Charge Away) He automatically slows and pushes an enemy (5 squares), while charging away. Hard to rate it's power level, since it's terrain dependent.
Death's Gatekeeper A fun twist on a healic, making your party "unkillable". Overpowered to Broken, but shouldn't actually make the game un-fun, just TPK proof.
Death's Gatekeeper mk2, (Stealth Edition) Make your party "unkillable", and you hidden, while doing solid damage. Stronger then the above, but also easier for a DM to shut down. Broken, until your DM get's enough of it.
Domination and Death Dominate everything then kill them quickly. Only works @ 30, but is broken multiple ways.
Battlemind Mc Prone-Daze Protecting your allies by keeping enemies away. Quite powerful.
The Retaliator Getting hit deals more damage to the enemy then you receive yourself, and you can take plenty of hits. Heavy item dependency, Broken.
Dead Kobold Transit Teleports 98 squares a turn, and can bring someone along for the ride. Not fully built, so i can't judge the power
Psilent Guardian Protect your allies, while being invisible. Overpowered, possibly broken
Unnamed Avenger|Runepriest/Hammer of Vengance Do lot's of damage while boosting your teams. Strong to slightly overpowered.
Charedent BarrageA charging ardent. Fine in a normal team, overpowered if there are 2 together, and easily broken in teams of 5.
Super Knight A tough, sticky, high damage knight. Strong.
Super Duper Knight Basically the same as super knight, only far more broken.
Mora, the unkillable avenger Solid damage, while being neigh indestuctable. Overpowered, but not broken.
Swordburst Maximus At-Will Close Burst 3 that slide and prones. Protects allies with off actions. Strong, possibly over powered with the right party.
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2 years ago ::
Dec 18, 2010 - 10:02PM
#1173
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Date Joined:
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I am moving to seattle(shoreline) and need a group. I know this isn't the place for it, but it's my thread. You can have it on good authority that I play well with others, and have good clean fun. If anyone is interested please PM me or send an e-mail to borg286. at. gmail.com
As per the stuff I haven't gotten to, I'm almost there. I'm done with my masters and have a house, YAY, and will have time in early january to devote back to my passion.
DPR King Candidates 3.0How much damage should I shoot for?
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You're fired : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR
DPR? KPR? KP4R? Bless you
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DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
= DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 20, 2011 - 7:14PM
#1174
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Date Joined:
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So, going to try my hand at this, doing a level 1 character. The only thing is the throw power I'm going off of a light thrown weapon using dex instead of str, but it'd still be pretty good even if you used strength instead Human Scout Spinning Axe Master Dex 20 Aspect of the Lurking Spider Human at will Throw and Stab Feats Light Blade Expertise TWF Rapier(Stab)+hand axe(DWA)+Chatkcha (Throw) Throw 1d6+2aspect+1TWF+2spinning axe+1LBE =9.5normal// 12 crit to hit=5dex+2 prof+2CA+1exp= +10 vs AC 15= 5% crit// 75%hit//20% miss 7.125+.6=7.725 Stab 1d8+5dex+2aspect+1twf+2spinning axe+1LBE=15.5 normal // 19 crit to hit=5dex+3prof+1LBE+2CA+1Charge=+12 to hit against 15AC 5% crit // 85% hit // 10% miss .85*15.5+.05*19=13.175+.95=14.125 DWA 1d6+5dex+2aspect+1twf+2spinning axe=13.5 normal // 16crit to hit=5dex+2prof+2CA+1charge=+10 to hit against 15AC 5%crit//20%miss//75% hit .75*13.5+.05*16=10.125+.8=10.925 10.925+14.125+7.725=32.775dpr I think this is about right, will add it up with throw using strength next, just to be certain it is exactly RAW, with no murky interpretations. to hit=0str+2 prof+2CA+1LBE=+5 to hit vs 15ac= 50% hit// 5% crit// 45% miss .5*9.5+.05*12=4.75+.6=5.35 5.35+14.125+10.925=30.4 dpr So either 32.775 or 30.4 depending on if you can get your DM to let you use Dex to attack with the throw portion. If anything is wrong with this build let me know, and I'll tweak it. 
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2 years ago ::
Jan 20, 2011 - 8:31PM
#1175
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Date Joined:
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I am not sure why you are using 2 attacks here. The DPR in this thread is At-Will DPR. At-Will DPR is the damage per round a character can do every single turn of every combat all day long.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 20, 2011 - 11:05PM
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I believe he is using the at-will Throw and Stab, followed by the free Scout off-hand attack on the stab.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 21, 2011 - 2:39AM
#1177
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So, going to try my hand at this, doing a level 1 character.
The only thing is the throw power I'm going off of a light thrown weapon using dex instead of str, but it'd still be pretty good even if you used strength instead
Human Scout
Spinning Axe Master
Dex 20
Aspect of the Lurking Spider
Human at will Throw and Stab
Feats
Light Blade Expertise
TWF
Rapier(Stab)+hand axe(DWA)+Chatkcha (Throw)
Throw
1d6+2aspect+1TWF+2spinning axe+1LBE =9.5normal// 12 crit
to hit=5dex+2 prof+2CA+1exp= +10 vs AC 15= 5% crit// 75%hit//20% miss
7.125+.6=7.725
Stab
1d8+5dex+2aspect+1twf+2spinning axe+1LBE=15.5 normal // 19 crit
to hit=5dex+3prof+1LBE+2CA+1Charge=+12 to hit against 15AC 5% crit // 85% hit // 10% miss
.85*15.5+.05*19=13.175+.95=14.125
DWA
1d6+5dex+2aspect+1twf+2spinning axe=13.5 normal // 16crit
to hit=5dex+2prof+2CA+1charge=+10 to hit against 15AC 5%crit//20%miss//75% hit
.75*13.5+.05*16=10.125+.8=10.925
10.925+14.125+7.725=32.775dpr
I think this is about right, will add it up with throw using strength next, just to be certain it is exactly RAW, with no murky interpretations.
to hit=0str+2 prof+2CA+1LBE=+5 to hit vs 15ac= 50% hit// 5% crit// 45% miss
.5*9.5+.05*12=4.75+.6=5.35
5.35+14.125+10.925=30.4 dpr
So either
32.775
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30.4
depending on if you can get your DM to let you use Dex to attack with the throw portion.
If anything is wrong with this build let me know, and I'll tweak it.
DWA only works if you Hit on the MBA. So you only get Hit chance of MBA*DWA's DPR. Throw and Stab no longer allows a Charge, so... no charge. How are drawing the Hand Axe as a free action after throwing the Chatkcha?
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2 years ago ::
Jan 21, 2011 - 2:51AM
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So, going to try my hand at this, doing a level 1 character.
The only thing is the throw power I'm going off of a light thrown weapon using dex instead of str, but it'd still be pretty good even if you used strength instead
Human Scout
Spinning Axe Master
Dex 20
Aspect of the Lurking Spider
Human at will Throw and Stab
Feats
Light Blade Expertise
TWF
Rapier(Stab)+hand axe(DWA)+Chatkcha (Throw)
Throw
1d6+2aspect+1TWF+2spinning axe+1LBE =9.5normal// 12 crit
to hit=5dex+2 prof+2CA+1exp= +10 vs AC 15= 5% crit// 75%hit//20% miss
7.125+.6=7.725
Stab
1d8+5dex+2aspect+1twf+2spinning axe+1LBE=15.5 normal // 19 crit
to hit=5dex+3prof+1LBE+2CA+1Charge=+12 to hit against 15AC 5% crit // 85% hit // 10% miss
.85*15.5+.05*19=13.175+.95=14.125
DWA
1d6+5dex+2aspect+1twf+2spinning axe=13.5 normal // 16crit
to hit=5dex+2prof+2CA+1charge=+10 to hit against 15AC 5%crit//20%miss//75% hit
.75*13.5+.05*16=10.125+.8=10.925
10.925+14.125+7.725=32.775dpr
I think this is about right, will add it up with throw using strength next, just to be certain it is exactly RAW, with no murky interpretations.
to hit=0str+2 prof+2CA+1LBE=+5 to hit vs 15ac= 50% hit// 5% crit// 45% miss
.5*9.5+.05*12=4.75+.6=5.35
5.35+14.125+10.925=30.4 dpr
So either
32.775
or
30.4
depending on if you can get your DM to let you use Dex to attack with the throw portion.
If anything is wrong with this build let me know, and I'll tweak it.
DWA only works if you Hit on the MBA. So you only get Hit chance of MBA*DWA's DPR. Throw and Stab no longer allows a Charge, so... no charge. How are drawing the Hand Axe as a free action after throwing the Chatkcha?
yeah, what he said. You will need to drop LBE for Master at Arms to do something like that or drop TWF for Quick Draw. Or drop TWF, go with the light blade style, and get a Boomerang proficiency. Boomerangs come back on hit/misses and they're light blades too.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 21, 2011 - 11:27AM
#1179
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Date Joined:
Aug 15, 2010
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Deal, didn't know about the no charge, and yeah, I completely forgot about the switching weapons. Will go through and redo the numbers on this, but think it will still be fairly high, if not quite as high as I had originally thought.
And Airpower, as Johnathon said, I am using the human bonus at will 'throw and stab' from the ranger class. Giving me a throw, then a MBA->DWA, so 3 separate attacks, all able to be used at will, in the same turn. The only bad thing is you can't use the combo off turn, so not that big a help with an mba granting warlord around.
EDITING IN THE NEW NUMBERS
Human Scout= Charles Lee
Spinning Axe Master
Dex 20
Aspect of the Lurking Spider
Human at will Throw and Stab
Feats Light Blade Expertise, Quick Draw
Rapier(Stab)+hand axe(DWA)+Chatkcha (Throw)
Throw1d6+2aspect+2spinning axe+1LBE =8.5normal// 11 crit
to hit=5dex+2 prof+2CA+1exp= +10 vs AC 15= 5% crit// 75%hit//20% miss
.75*8.5+.05*11=6.375+.55=6.925
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to hit=0str+2 prof+2CA+1LBE=+5 to hit vs 15ac= 50% hit// 5% crit// 45% miss.5*8.5+.05*11=4.25+.55=4.8 (Using this number for actual calculations)
Stab1d8+5dex+2aspect+2spinning axe+1LBE=14.5 normal // 18 crit
to hit=5dex+3prof+1LBE+2CA=+11 to hit against 15AC 5% crit // 80% hit // 15% miss
.80*14.5+.05*18=11.6+.9=12.5
DWA1d6+5dex+2aspect+2spinning axe=12.5 normal // 15crit
to hit=5dex+2prof+2CA=+9 to hit against 15AC 5%crit//25%miss//70% hit
.70*12.5+.05*15=8.75+.75=9.59.5*(Stab to hit chance=85(including crits)=8.075
4.8(Throw)+12.5(Stab)+8.075(DWA)=25.375DPR
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6.925(Throw)+12.5(Stab)+8.075(DWA)=27.5DPR (If you can convince your DM to let you use Dex with the throw, so house ruled DPR)
Start with Chatkcha (Main hand) and Hand axe (Off hand). Throw the Chatkcha (Returns once the attack is resolved) Free action drop it, quick draw rapier to attack with Stab, if hits, then use DWA with the hand axe, that is your standard action, use minor/move to pick up your chatkcha and do it all again next turn.
Should be noted that this is 3 attacks, with the first attack being against a different target than the second and third, so not the best at single target, but will hopefully help clear a room a little quicker.
Ok, think that should be good, once again, let me know if my numbers or anything are wrong.
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2 years ago ::
Jan 21, 2011 - 3:36PM
#1180
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Date Joined:
Aug 15, 2010
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Human Scout= Charles Lee Level 6 Spinning Axe Master Dex 21 Aspect of the Lurking Spider Human at will Throw and Stab Feats Light Blade Expertise, Quick Draw, TWF, Axe Expretise, Manticore's Fury +2 Challenge seeking Rapier(Stab), +2 Challenge seeking hand axe(DWA), +2 distance Chatkcha (Throw), Iron armbands of power, Gauntlets of Blood Throw1d6+2aspect+2spinning axe+1LBE+2enchantment+1TWF+2Manticore=13.5 normal // 23 crit to hit=0str+2 prof+2CA+1LBE+2enchantment+3lvl= +10 against AC 20= 5% crit// 50% hit // 45% miss .5*13.5+.05*23=6.75+1.15= bloodied=.5*15.5+.05*25=7.75+.9=7.75+1.25= 7.9 (normal) 9 (Bloodied) Stab1d8+5dex+2aspect+2spinning axe+1LBE+2enchantment+(1d6 against full HP)+2IAOP+1TWF+2Manticore= 21.5 normal (+3.5 against full HP) (+2 against bloodied)// 32 crit(+3.5 against full HP) (+2 against bloodied) To hit=5dex+3lvl+3prof+1lbe+2ca+2enchantment= +16 against AC 20= 5% crit // 75% hit // 20% miss .75*21.5+.05*32=16.125+1.6= 17.725 (normal) 19.325 (Bloodied) .75*23.5+.05*34=17.625+1.7= 19.32520.7 (Full HP) .75*25+.05*39=18.75+1.95=20.7 DWA1d6+5dex+2aspect+2spinning axe+2enchant+2IAOP+1TWF= 15.5 normal(+3.5 against full HP) (+2 against bloodied) // 25 Crit (+3.5 against full HP) (+2 against bloodied) To hit=5dex+3lvl+2prof+2CA+1Axemastery+2enchantment=+15 against AC 20= 5% crit // 70% hit // 25% miss .7*15.5+.05*25=10.85+1.25= 12.112.1 (normal) 13.6 (Bloodied) .7*17.5+.05*27=12.25+1.35=13.6 14.375 (Full HP) .7*19+.05*21.5=13.3+1.075=14.375 Throw Stab DWA Normal 7.9 17.725 12.1*.8=9.68 Bloodied 9 19.325 13.6*.8=10.88 Full HP 7.9 20.7 14.375*.8=11.5 Normal= 35.305 Bloodied= 39.205 Full HP=40.1 Realistic Attack sequenceNormal throw+Full HP Stab+Bloodied DWA 39.48DPR Once more, let me know if any of my math is wrong, or if anything else I did is wrong or needs explaining. This seems to be the point that is looses steam to some of the other big builds out there. Not as high as some, but not bad either. Total DPR= 35.305-40.1
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