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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 12:38PM
#1001
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Mage's Rapier, because Rogues are not even proficient with them.  PS: Ding, 1000 !
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 12:40PM
#1002
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Date Joined:
Jan 23, 2008
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Mage's Rapier, because Rogues are not even proficient with them.
PS: Ding, 1000 !
Again with the Rapier is now a martial weapon and rogues can SA 1/turn.
DPR King Candidates 3.0How much damage should I shoot for?
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You're fired : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR
DPR? KPR? KP4R? Bless you
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DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
= DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 12:41PM
#1003
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Date Joined:
Jul 30, 2008
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Martial doesn't help Rogues - but I forgot the |SM part, sorry.
Then your best bet at L7 is Vicious - d12 for crits.
Edit: Another problem - assuming CA for the initial attack is fine and dandy.
For the Riposte it already becomes hazy. But it really does downwards when the target just shifts away and charges / uses ranged, you only get to trigger when the target hits, and even then it's only a MBA - even more likely without CA and as Hybrid MBA sure without SA.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 12:55PM
#1004
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Date Joined:
Jan 23, 2008
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47 DPR(CA) Bugbear Brutal Scoundral Rogue | Swordmage(6th), by borg285
Items: Iron armbands of power, +2 Vicious Large Rapier, +2 magic leather armor (22 AC)(for more offence get gauntlets of blood(+2 damage vs. bloodied))
Feats: Hybrid talent(Brutal Scoundral), Backstabber, Versatile Expertise, Nimble blade
Stats: 20 Dex, 19 Str
Riposte Strike:
Attack:
3 (1/2 level)
2 (magic)
1 (expertise)
2 (CA)
1 (nimble blade)
5 (Dex)
3 (Prof)
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+17 vs 20 AC (90% hit rate)
Damage:
1d10 (large rapier)
2d8+4 (SA+Str)
5 (Dex)
2 (Magic)
2 (armbands)
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27.5 average (50 max+crit)
Riposte/Aegis of assault:
Attack
3 (1/2 level)
2 (magic)
1 (expertise)
2 (CA)
1 (nimble blade)
4 (Str)
3 (Prof)
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+16 vs 20 AC (85% hit rate)
Damage:
1d10 (large rapier)
2d8+4 (SA+Str)
4 (Str)
2 (Magic)
2 (armbands)
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26 average (49 max)
.85*(27.5)+.05*(50) + .9*(.8*(26.5)+.05*(49)) = 47
Anyone see any errors
DPR King Candidates 3.0How much damage should I shoot for?
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You're fired : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR
DPR? KPR? KP4R? Bless you
Show
DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
= DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 1:03PM
#1005
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Date Joined:
Jul 30, 2008
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This should be a pretty clean version - and after the grabbing attack it even generates its own CA ! Mark of Finding makes sure that even if the mob succeeeds with the escape (not too likely) and shifts, we still can stay adjacent, so we still get our Riposte. Strangler, L6
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====== Created Using Wizards of the Coast D&D Character Builder ======
Strangler, level 6
Bugbear, Rogue
Rogue Tactics: Brutal Scoundrel
FINAL ABILITY SCORES
Str 18, Con 11, Dex 20, Int 8, Wis 12, Cha 10.
STARTING ABILITY SCORES
Str 15, Con 11, Dex 17, Int 8, Wis 12, Cha 10.
AC: 21 Fort: 18 Reflex: 21 Will: 15
HP: 48 Surges: 6 Surge Value: 12
TRAINED SKILLS
Stealth +15, Thievery +13
UNTRAINED SKILLS
Acrobatics +8, Arcana +2, Bluff +3, Diplomacy +3, Dungeoneering +4, Endurance +3, Heal +4, History +2, Insight +4, Intimidate +5, Nature +4, Perception +4, Religion +2, Streetwise +3, Athletics +7
FEATS
Level 1: Garrote Training
Level 2: Backstabber
Level 4: Vicious Advantage
Level 6: Mark of Finding
POWERS
Rogue at-will 1: Riposte Strike
ITEMS
Vicious Garrote +2, Iron Armbands of Power (heroic tier), Magic Leather Armor +1, Amulet of Protection +1
====== Copy to Clipboard and Press the Import Button on the Summary Tab ====== 37.44 DPR
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To hit: [+5 Dex / +4 Str] +3 lvl +2 CA +3 prof +2 enh = +15 / +14
=> vs AC 20: 80% / 75%
Damage: 1d6 weapon +[5 Dex / 4 Str] +2 enh +2 item + 2d8+4 SA = 25,5 / 24,5 avg dmg (+1d6+2d12 crit)
DPR: 0,75 * 25,5 + 0,05 * 51,5 + 0,8 * (0,7 * 24,5 + 0,05 * 50,5) = 37,44 Somewhat less impressive, but much cleaner and definately self-sustaining. PS @ Borg: See my edit two posts above - CA is hazy, and Riposte just doesn't work.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 2:18PM
#1006
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Date Joined:
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I did forget that a hybrid rogue can't apply his SA to a basic attack. hrmmm And the assault MBA only triggering on a hit does throw a nasty complication in it. I like yours and I'll add it
DPR King Candidates 3.0How much damage should I shoot for?
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You're fired : 1 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .2 KPR
Fair Striker : 2 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .4 KPR
Highly Optimized : 3 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .6 KPR
Nerfbat please : 4 Kills Per 5 Rounds = .8 KPR
It's OVER 9000!!!!!: 5 Kills Per 5 Rounds = 1+ KPR
DPR? KPR? KP4R? Bless you
Show
DPR = Damage Per round ~= Chance to hit * damage on a hit
KPR = Kills Per Round. 1 Kill = 8*Level+24 damage
= DPR/(8*level+24)
KPNR = Kills Per N Rounds. How many standards can you kill in N rounds?
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 3:59PM
#1007
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Date Joined:
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If you can pick Scales of War backgrounds, a Rogue could take the Gritty Sergeant background to get proficiency in the rapier. No need to hybrid or burn a feat. Also, I thought the weapon size progression went from 1d8 to 2d4.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 7:09PM
#1008
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Date Joined:
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It does for two-handed weapons, not for one-handed ones (don't ask the reasoning behind that one - I still don't get it, myself).
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3 years ago ::
Sep 25, 2010 - 10:12PM
#1009
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Date Joined:
Sep 12, 2009
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1: Doesn't Aegis of Assault require that the enemy hit?
2: Aren't you reducing that hit chance by marking it?
I know it missing is also a good result, so I'm mainly asking this as a "How do you want to count it?" question.
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3 years ago ::
Sep 26, 2010 - 6:12AM
#1010
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Date Joined:
Jul 30, 2008
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@borg:
Cool, thanks. Btw, TL's build both falsely uses Battlecrazed and Swordmage, so you might want to fix / remove that build. Which in fact makes the Riposte Grappler the highest non-charging DPR at L6 - sweet.
@Kergma:
Missing sure is beneficial, but it's hard to quantify anthing like that for a DPR measurement thread.
Furthermore the simple fact is that with Riposte + CA, the mob is always better off attacking somebody else, because 1) he might not take damage at all and 2) even if he does, it's much less than from Riposte.
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