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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:33AM #41
RgAgsThMch
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:29AM, Herrozerro wrote:

Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:26AM, Crimson_Concerto wrote:

No, that would be silly. The only way to maintain a balance where everyone is expected to be just as good at everything as everybody else is would be for the races to have no mechanical differences at all, and I don't think that anybody wants that. I know that I don't.

If, however, a race is specifically penalized in an unbalanced way, then yes, that is a problem.




Exactly, it may be unbalancing now but eventually there will be perks for small people.  Medium mounts is one.




You've mentioned these medium mounts a lot in this thread.

I must admit I am ignorant on this subject.

Care to enlighten me?  (plus I think it might add something to this discussion)

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:34AM #42
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:33AM, Crimson_Concerto wrote:

Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:29AM, Herrozerro wrote:

Exactly, it may be unbalancing now but eventually there will be perks for small people.  Medium mounts is one.


No, that's never going to be sufficient.
The whole reason why racial penalties were supposed to be thrown out this edition was because the developers recognized that trying to balance penalties with bonuses or vice versa doesn't work. All that happens is that people will select options that minimize the penalties and/or maximize the bonuses, and that leads to the problem of racial pigeon-holing that they wanted to avoid.




*shrugs* I don't mind small races, in fact I enjoy them.  I dont see the issues as unbalancing.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:35AM #43
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:33AM, RgAgsThMch wrote:


You've mentioned these medium mounts a lot in this thread.

I must admit I am ignorant on this subject.

Care to enlighten me?  (plus I think it might add something to this discussion)




Well it is a mount... and it is medium sized...

Medium mount. 

Play whatever the **** you want.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:36AM #44
Manion
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:35AM, Herrozerro wrote:


Well it is a mount... and it is medium sized...

Medium mount. 




So, my Kobold can ride it inside?  That is a benefit!

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:37AM #45
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:34AM, Herrozerro wrote:

I don't mind small races, in fact I enjoy them.


I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I'm saying you should have more options with them, the same options available to other races. If anything, what I'm saying is that it'd be good for more people to be able to enjoy small races.

I dont see the issues as unbalancing.


What part of the problem don't you understand exactly? Because I think it's pretty straightforward...

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:38AM #46
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:36AM, Manion wrote:

Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:35AM, Herrozerro wrote:


Well it is a mount... and it is medium sized...

Medium mount. 




So, my Kobold can ride it inside?  That iss a benefit!




It is....

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:40AM #47
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:37AM, Crimson_Concerto wrote:

Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:34AM, Herrozerro wrote:

I don't mind small races, in fact I enjoy them.


I'm not saying that you shouldn't. I'm saying you should have more options with them, the same options available to other races. If anything, what I'm saying is that it'd be good for more people to be able to enjoy small races.




I dont see any restricted options.  Where is the: "Warden, Prerequisite: Medium race."  There is none.  Gnomes are as viable as an option as a warforged.  In fact I have played with gnome Wardens, fighters and swordmages.  Enjoyed them more then the so called optimal races.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:41AM #48
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:35AM, Herrozerro wrote:

Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:33AM, RgAgsThMch wrote:


You've mentioned these medium mounts a lot in this thread.

I must admit I am ignorant on this subject.

Care to enlighten me?  (plus I think it might add something to this discussion)




Well it is a mount... and it is medium sized...

Medium mount. 




...so no special benefits...
i thought that was what you were getting at...
still doesn't make we want to play a halfling fighter.

EDIT: no special benefit beyond allowing your kobold to ride around indoors...

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:44AM #49
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Jan 7, 2010 -- 10:41AM, RgAgsThMch wrote:



...so no special benefits...
i thought that was what you were getting at...
still doesn't make we want to play a halfling fighter.

EDIT: no special benefit beyond allowing your kobold to ride around indoors...




Ah, so the option of making a mounted fighter that doesn't have the normal size restrictions is not a benefit?  Guess not.

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3 years ago  ::  Jan 07, 2010 - 10:45AM #50
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Can they use spears, yet?
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