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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:02PM
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What if the DM says, "No dragonborn" in his houserules because they don't fit into his setting? I hardly see that as a mark of being a bad DM.
That's not what you said. The sole reason you gave for not wanting to allow a Dragonborn was because you didn't like them. 'They don't fit into my game world because I don't like them' is saying the exact same thing.
There's always a way to fit something into a setting. The Dragonborn may not be a 'race' in the game world, it could just be one individual who was, say, cursed or transformed. He could be a dimensional traveller. He could be the first, or last, of his kind.
A good DM will go to reasonable lengths to accomodate his players' desires. I would have no problem with someone playing a Genasi in my Eberron game, or a Warforged or Kalashtar in an FR game. It's not going to break anything.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:02PM
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Of course. I even have a Vampire in my current game (Human Feylock by mechanics.)
Please explain in detail.
Wow, I agree with Xun.... It's a sign of the Aporkalypse!
Anyways, I'm interested how you got a vampire. I assume it started with the Dhamphyr feat chain, but after that, how'd you get Feylock to work? I'd almost imagine Infernalock a better choice.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:02PM
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You're dragging morality into this? Really guys?
Otherwise, I agree with other posters: generally, forbidding stuff from the PHB1 at your table is a bad idea unless all your players are in full agreement. But, you know, maybe they're cool with it. Maybe they didn't want to play a dragonborn anyway. Or they agree with you that they are 'too exotic'.
Alternatively, you could refluff the dragonborn into something less exotic. Maybe dragonborn could just be a branch of humans with an affinity for dragons or something. Since 90% of dnd races are humans-but-with-x, this doesn't seem like much of a stretch.
But I think the BEST advice is to find some way to make dragonborn cool to you. I don't like gnomes, but if you put a gun to my head and told me that I had to play a gnome or not play at all, I'd find some way to put an interesting spin on gnomes that appealed to me. There is ALWAYS a way to do this, it just takes a little imagination. Maybe dragonborn in your world are fast-talking merchants, or mostly live underground, or are nocturnal. Maybe they're a slave race that was genetically engineered by powerful mages. Maybe they belong to another plane and they're trapped here. Whatever. The possibilities are limitless.
Taking an element of the game and tweaking it to your taste is very much what dnd is all about. Arbitrary restrictions on things your players enjoy is very much not.
So be careful.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:03PM
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If you would actually take the time and read my post you will see where I play and DM with the same group. If they didn't want me to DM they would asking someone else.
Maybe they are trying but just can't find anyone? I don't know. All I get from your post is that apparently your fun is much more important than theirs. They're either so used to your style they don't that this is not really the way the 4e books describe being a DM, or they just can't find anyone else to take over.
It's hard to find a DM, so people generally stick with the bad ones if it's all they can get. I know what it's like.
Then let me go ahead and tell you that your assumptions of what you get from my post are dead wrong.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:03PM
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Of course. I even have a Vampire in my current game (Human Feylock by mechanics.)
Please explain in detail.
Explain what? He's a mostly undead dude, who dislikes sunlight, has evil tendencies, sucks people and animals dry for food, moves around in a mist-form (shadow-step + teleport powers), throws dark energy at people, utters profane curses, and drains peoples energy.
He wants to find the guy that killed his wife and made him a vampire, because the last time he couldn't kill him properly.
Enough detail?
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:04PM
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Well some might think you are immoral because you are allowing a race that isn't even playable in 4.0. The point is, you are allowed to add or take anything you want and it doesn't make you any more or any less a DM.
Uhm. It's not immoral to grant choices. It's immoral to take choices away because you just plain don't like something. There is a great difference between adding something for a player and taking it away without good reason.
Really, that just now was Logic Fail. In it's purest form. Maybe you should re-read the thread, good man, and try again. Adding is non-destructive. Taking away is destructive. You know, basic logic?
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:07PM
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Stop saying that disallowing dragonborn is "immoral." Murder is immoral. Creating a house rule that says "no dragonborn" has no moral value attached to it.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:07PM
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Then let me go ahead and tell you that your assumptions of what you get from my post are dead wrong.
Ok, as long as you are sure, play your game as you like 
I'm glad you found players willing to put up with it!
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:07PM
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What if the DM says, "No dragonborn" in his houserules because they don't fit into his setting?
While realistically there's little difference (you can't play dragonborn in either situation), I think a lot of people will still feel a difference. If they "dont fit the setting," at least that's a reason beyond "I don't like them."
I know I've tried to never outright ban races from a setting, but that's just me - I don't think there's anything wrong with doing it.
I think it is, perhaps, a better course of action to be willing to let the players help you find a place for what it is they want to play. Sometimes you can get really awesome plots from doing that.
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3 years ago ::
Dec 16, 2009 - 2:10PM
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I've been gaming with the same group for 15 years and sure they may gripe and complain if I run a game and I don't allow something they may like they just pick something else they like. Since we are friends there is no "Well if you won't let me play a dragonborn then I won't play in your game", that right there is what seven year olds do not a group of grown men and women. I am still playing and DMing with the same group so apparently there isn't a problem. So now where is your argument to that?
from my point of view it seems like you're the only one willing to GM in your area. the fact that you admit that they "gripe and complain" but just tough it out doesn't make you a shining example of fine DMing IMO. moreso since you seem to call people who don't want to game with you because they don't agree with your reasons for disallowing things "seven year olds".
last i checked, grown men and women sit down and cooperate to create things, which would seem like the logical thing to do in a game of cooperative storytelling, whereas you seem to ignore their needs in favor of your own while telling them to live with it.
that sounds like the behaviour of a seven-year old to me, personally.
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