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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:49PM #11
makeshiftwings
Date Joined: Nov 29, 2001
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Yes, you have to, and if you don't, WotC's ninja strike team will burst into your house and shred all of your books.


More seriously, I'd echo the posters above.  You don't have to do anything.  But if one of your friends really wants to play a Dragonborn, and you like doing nice things for your friends (you should), then you should let him play one.  He'll have more fun because he gets to play what he wants, and maybe you'll have more fun because he'll be happier and more into his character.  If he plays him well, you might even like the Dragonborn a little more.  Remember, the main point of D&D is for everyone to have fun.  Some of my favorite moments in D&D as a DM started with the players taking the story in some direction I didn't originally intend.
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:51PM #12
Flargan
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Wait, I'm not sure that I understand.  It's wrong (morally?) for me to take something out of the game that I don't like?
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:52PM #13
Hocus-Smokus
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Were it up to me, I would have never allowed gnomes in my games. Undoubtedly, though, every game I ran had at least one person who wanted to be a gnome. I hated them. I had nothing but contempt for them. I still do. My players never knew it, though. They were having fun, and that was so much more important than my own tastes in PC races.
In fond memory of Mark "Wrecan" Monack.
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:54PM #14
Hocus-Smokus
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Dec 16, 2009 -- 12:51PM, Flargan wrote:

Wait, I'm not sure that I understand.  It's wrong (morally?) for me to take something out of the game that I don't like?




Morally? Goodness, no. There's nothing "moral" about it. If you don't like them, then you don't like them. The very first session of your game, sit everyone down and tell them what will not be allowed in your game while you are DM. If they agree, then you're good to go. If they protest, then you have to decide whether it is more important to have happy players, or mor eimportant to not have Dragonborn in your games.

In fond memory of Mark "Wrecan" Monack.
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:55PM #15
Nyarlathotep
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Dec 16, 2009 -- 12:51PM, Flargan wrote:

Wait, I'm not sure that I understand.  It's wrong (morally?) for me to take something out of the game that I don't like?




Morally wrong?  No. 

Ill-advised?  Yes.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:56PM #16
Leichenreiter
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Dec 16, 2009 -- 12:43PM, Nyarlathotep wrote:


Depends.  He might be playing the character because he wants to play an outcast (I enjoy that type of character from time to time, anyway).  Can't really be an outcast if everyone is all accepting of you and everything.




Agreed, there are enough RPG's I play that deal with dark stuff (CthulhuTech and most notable Exalted) and things you would rather not see in Real Life. Still, the general asumption should be that a player wants to get away from weary life. If he wants to play an outcast, he will tell you so, he'll ask you to chop off his characters legs and arms, if he desires it.

But the base assumption should be that we don't need racism and intensive discrimination, be it against women or Tieflings.


Wasn't even a weird race.  I banned elves (along with a bunch of other stuff, but for one player, this was the proverbial last straw.  He literally will not play anything else.)




Heh. I know that feeling. I had to force-feed one of my palyers something non-rangery. For about 5 years he played the Ranger. Be it D&D, Shadowrun or anything else, he was the ranger, AKA the loner guy at the front who could fight and knows his way around things.

After those 5 years I force-fed him other stuff. By now he's playing a Bureaucratic Mind-Raper Solar (in Exalted) who loves nothing more than to talk and strike deals whilst expanding his little empire into a superpower beyond reckoning. Screw you, Ranger! :D

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:57PM #17
Crimson_Concerto
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Dec 16, 2009 -- 12:51PM, Flargan wrote:

Wait, I'm not sure that I understand.  It's wrong (morally?) for me to take something out of the game that I don't like?


Not necesasrily, but it is wrong for you to take something out of the game that you don't like without first considering how your players would feel about it. If you and your players are all in agreement that you don't want something as part of the game or don't care one way or the other if it's part of the game, then feel more than free to remove it! But if your players would want to play something and you're disallowing it just because you don't like it, then yes, that would be wrong of you.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:59PM #18
Flargan
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Ah, okay, that makes more sense.
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 12:59PM #19
Dragoncat
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Yes.

If you do not include Dragonborn in your games, the team of elite Kobold Kommandos will track you down, rip up your notes, and send your players to Sleep With The Chuul.  Do not worry, this is for the greater good; games without Dragonborn have been proven to attract the attention of the Far Realm, who will attempt to infect your brain with tadpoles delivered through pizza or snack chip vectors.  For the sake of the realm, include Dragonborn.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 16, 2009 - 1:04PM #20
Salla
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Dec 16, 2009 -- 12:51PM, Flargan wrote:

Wait, I'm not sure that I understand.  It's wrong (morally?) for me to take something out of the game that I don't like?




I don't know if I'd call it morally wrong, but I'd assuredly call it selfish.

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