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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 1:31PM #11
LordofLeapin
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Is there anything out there that allows you to get back/reuse racial encounter powers, besides the obvious Fey Charge?
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 1:36PM #12
awaken_D_M_golem
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Chosen of "Deity X" ED , works just like Demigod , which has been errata'd (boo).

Deadly Trickster also recharges with it's level 24 ability.

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Lich Ritual works. (MM)

Lich w/ No Phalactery works too. (Lich Ritual minus Lich's Phalactery Ritual) (check MM and DMG)

Lich Move racial sub , in the back of Open Grave.

Lich Brain Graft , but has penalties , around p.50 Open Grave.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 1:39PM #13
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Devas and Elves have feats to regain (or simply avoid expending) their racial if they fail with the relevent checks. 

I believe Drow can recover their Darkfire racial via an Epic feat.  They might also have a feat somewhere that allows them to use each racial power seperately... but I'm not certain about that. 

Dragonborn have several ways to use their Breath multiple times. 

Aside from that, the usual methods of recovering encounters work, as well.  I believe the Battlemaster's Dagger doesn't specify you have to recover a class power, so I think you can recover encounter racial powers with it, too. 
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 1:41PM #14
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Dec 11, 2009 -- 1:27PM, ibixat wrote:

You may want to include ring of dragonborn emperor as a honorable mention or on it's own list.

Power (Daily): Immediate Reaction. Use this power when you become bloodied. Use one of your encounter powers. If you’ve reached at least one milestone today, you can use an encounter power that you have already expended. If you use a power that has not already been expended, you don’t expend the use of that power.

Has that daily power, which effectively lets you use an encounter power you've already used or not expend the power when used by the ring after a milestone. 



Good catch, added

Dec 11, 2009 -- 1:31PM, LordofLeapin wrote:

Is there anything out there that allows you to get back/reuse racial encounter powers, besides the obvious Fey Charge?




There are, but they tend to be specific to the racial power and thus easy to find by searching for the power in the Compendium.  The only generic racial power recovery I can think of off hand is the Steelsky Liberator PP, which can be used by dragonborn, genasi, or half-orcs to regain the racial power when they spend an AP.  Spiral Tactician PP will regain fey step when you spend an action point.  The Fey Beguiler's level 20 power will regain Fade Away.  Dragon Warrior and Elemental Warrior are epic feats to regain racial powers for Dragonborn and Genasi, respectively.  There are also some, like Inner Dragon, that let you reuse an expended racial power immediately when you AP.  May be more, but that's what a quick search comes up with.

If there's interest in these I can collect things for racial powers and add a new section in the OP for it.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 1:49PM #15
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Related to this is getting multiple uses of channel divinity in an encounter since normally you only get 1.    Glorious Channeler is an epic level feat that lets you use a second one.  The cleric path astral savant lets you resuse a CD when someone in your party gets a crit and the avenger paths dervish of dawn and radiant visage both potentially let you reuse CDs.  Champion’s Hauberk armor lets you trade healing words for CD uses.
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 1:57PM #16
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Dec 11, 2009 -- 1:36PM, awaken_D_M_golem wrote:

Chosen of "Deity X" ED , works just like Demigod , which has been errata'd (boo).

Deadly Trickster also recharges with it's level 24 ability.

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Lich Ritual works. (MM)

Lich w/ No Phalactery works too. (Lich Ritual minus Lich's Phalactery Ritual) (check MM and DMG)

Lich Move racial sub , in the back of Open Grave.

Lich Brain Graft , but has penalties , around p.50 Open Grave.

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Great job so far.



First two have been updated in the OP.

The Lich related ones are something I'm going to have to look up when I'm back with my books, since the Compendium doesn't seem to have the relevant info.  Additionally, none of those is likely to be applied to a PC; the undead graft is most likely, and even that is something only available by DM fiat.

It's starting to look like there is indeed interest in a racial power section and a channel divinity section, so I'm going to get started on those.  Feel free to mention options along those lines; it saves me having to hunt them down.

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 2:22PM #17
LordofLeapin
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Thanks for doing the racial powers when you get around to it.  Also, thanks for this thread, it's a great idea and extremely helpful.

I'm specifically looking for a way to get back Iron Mind, the Githzerai racial power.  I'm still trying to catch up with all this new stuff as I've been away from 4E for awhile.
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 3:07PM #18
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Dec 11, 2009 -- 1:39PM, Outshined wrote:

Dragonborn have several ways to use their Breath multiple times.




Please do tell in what ways can a Dragonborn regain his or her Dragon Breath in an encounter? I'm looking to build a Dragonborn Sorcerer/Ninefold Master/Some ED and abuse the hell out of Dragon Breath as an Arcane Encounter Attack Power, and I'd like to know all the ways in which I can regain the power in an encounter (to get a potential 2 attacks almost every round).

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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 3:25PM #19
Mijal
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For a racial reuse, Revenants (D 376) have an epic feat called "Reaping Renewal" that just lets you use the Dark Reaping racial twice per encounter.
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3 years ago  ::  Dec 11, 2009 - 4:25PM #20
ChaosMage
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Initial racial entries are up; let me know if there's something I'm missing.  CD Powers coming later.

Dec 11, 2009 -- 2:22PM, LordofLeapin wrote:

Thanks for doing the racial powers when you get around to it.  Also, thanks for this thread, it's a great idea and extremely helpful.

I'm specifically looking for a way to get back Iron Mind, the Githzerai racial power.  I'm still trying to catch up with all this new stuff as I've been away from 4E for awhile.



There's nothing Githzerai specific yet, though I wouldn't be surprised if there's something in PHB3 when it comes out.  Until then, search the op for things that let you regain an "encounter power" rather than an "encounter attack power" or the like; I did my best to make sure the wording was correct for those things that could regain any type of encounter power.  Those should be applicable to Iron Mind.

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