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Rogue Weapon talent question
4 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2009 - 5:42PM #1
gwor
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It says "When you wield a dagger, you gain a +1 bonus to attack rolls."  Does this mean that if I wield a dagger in my offhand, that I can get +1 attacks with my crossbow in my main hand.  That comment says nothing about having to make the attack with the dagger.

Also, subtle weapon has a property of deal extra damage equal to the weapon enhancement bonus when attacking with combat advantage.

So again, if I have a +2 subtle dagger in my offhand, do I get +1 to hit and +2 damage while shooting my crossbow? 

Thanks.
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4 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2009 - 5:43PM #2
Salla
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'Wield' means 'to use the weapon as part of the attack'.  You don't get a +1 to hit with your hand crossbow by holding a dagger in your other hand.
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4 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2009 - 5:55PM #3
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I always thought "wield" meant "hold the weapon in a way that you could attack with it".

OTOH, I think there is specifically a FAQ entry that agrees with you Salla.  It just breaks the term wield for everything else in the game other than Rogue Weapon Talent.
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4 months ago  ::  Nov 19, 2009 - 6:31PM #4
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Nov 19, 2009 -- 5:55PM, FitzNighteyes wrote:

I always thought "wield" meant "hold the weapon in a way that you could attack with it".




That's what the Swordmage thinks too....

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4 months ago  ::  Nov 20, 2009 - 5:18PM #5
gwor
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Nov 19, 2009 -- 5:55PM, FitzNighteyes wrote:

I always thought "wield" meant "hold the weapon in a way that you could attack with it".




This was my understanding as well.  Has this changed?

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4 months ago  ::  Nov 20, 2009 - 7:23PM #6
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As far as RWT goes, you have to actually use the dagger to gain the bonus. 
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4 months ago  ::  Nov 20, 2009 - 8:24PM #7
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Nov 20, 2009 -- 5:18PM, gwor wrote:

Nov 19, 2009 -- 5:55PM, FitzNighteyes wrote:

I always thought "wield" meant "hold the weapon in a way that you could attack with it".




This was my understanding as well.  Has this changed?


The only reference I know of for "wield" is the FAQ about Rogue Weapon Talent, which says that wield means "to attack with".

That completely contradicts the apparent intent for just about every other use of it, which *appears* to match my original statement.

{Personally this fits in with my personal opinion that you need to take FAQ with a grain of salt, even though I don't have a particular stake in this argument.  }

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4 months ago  ::  Nov 20, 2009 - 8:42PM #8
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Nov 20, 2009 -- 8:24PM, FitzNighteyes wrote:

Nov 20, 2009 -- 5:18PM, gwor wrote:

Nov 19, 2009 -- 5:55PM, FitzNighteyes wrote:

I always thought "wield" meant "hold the weapon in a way that you could attack with it".




This was my understanding as well.  Has this changed?


The only reference I know of for "wield" is the FAQ about Rogue Weapon Talent, which says that wield means "to attack with".

That completely contradicts the apparent intent for just about every other use of it, which *appears* to match my original statement.

{Personally this fits in with my personal opinion that you need to take FAQ with a grain of salt, even though I don't have a particular stake in this argument.  }




To interpret it any other way for RWT though, is completely overpowered. Giving a +1 to attack with any weapon as long as you're holding a dagger in your offhand. They should reword it to say, for the purposes of rogue weapon talent, "wield" means "to attack with".

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4 months ago  ::  Nov 20, 2009 - 11:11PM #9
FitzNighteyes
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Agreed, given the apparent intent of the word wield elsewhere.
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4 months ago  ::  Nov 21, 2009 - 5:55PM #10
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also, on the same note...

Daggermaster sorcerers do not get the 18-20 crit range, as the dagger is not being used for the attack, but as an implement for the attack.

Well, they shouldn't.
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