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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:11PM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
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How about looking at it like this? Instead of anti-magic it would act differently for each person. Say with Martial you feel clumsy or you can't seem to remember those moves you learned, or with divine you feel like your god is far away, and with arcane you feel the fabric of magic coming undone around you and you can't keep it together.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:12PM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
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Then why classify the Martial powersource with the other powersources? If you think about it, when compared to all the other powersources the Martial one stands alone if there is no supernatural power about it what so ever.
Oh, sure, nothing supernatural going on at all with martial power guys. That's why some rogues can turn invisible by standing still in plain sight and fighters can taunt every enemy within 15' so that they rush adjacent to him to get smacked. And how about those warlords, huh? Not only can they seal up sword wounds by shouting, some of them are so clever they can make every enemy on the field go stand where they want them too.
Nope, nothing unnatural at all.
Well according to Crimson there is nothing supernatural about the Martial powersource.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:14PM
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I was under the assumption that magic items would lose all enchantment while in this zone or whatever... which that just doesn't work in 4e anymore =o i mean that REALLY hoses anyone. As for cutting off powersource "X", ehhhhh, i'm not really into that too since the classes are HELLA MORE balanced than before. Though i'd still be for cutting off a god's power while in the city of sigil, but a divine character still works fine in there
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:15PM
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First, one has to justify why antimagic should be in the game. Math problems with recalculating equipment bonuses, situational debuffing of entire classes (The monk is psionic-how well does he handle in this field?), and very finicky behaviors (to what degree are an artificer or bard's ranged weapon powers magical, and how much of them is skillful?), without any signs of anything to gain, overall it isn't looking good. Now, working within the system, it might be interesting to have situations which drain powers on a whole. For example, a Far Realm or Undead entity who sapped the life out of people, represented by them suddenly losing temporary access to encounter powers would be kind of nifty. Likewise, an area of Bad Juju which prevents all use of daily powers throughout the zone would be a nice way to make the PCs worry. But it would have to be universal- it is poor encounter design to simply say "All of X class type are hosed for this situation", because it basically makes a PC sit out without the slightest chance of defence/avoidance.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:16PM
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Explain to me how it could logically be cut off and still leave a character perfectly functional.
Actually a good deal of Martial and Primal guys would look at the antipowersource zone, laugh, and start beating face with their executioner's axe. Whereas the afforementioned "Go watch TV while your character fails" would still largely affect spellcasters (You can still attack with your dagger though. Eh? Wanna do 1d4 damage with a +3 to hit against 20 AC?)
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I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
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Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy."
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:16PM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
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I was under the assumption that magic items would lose all enchantment while in this zone or whatever... which that just doesn't work in 4e anymore =o i mean that REALLY hoses anyone.
As for cutting off powersource "X", ehhhhh, i'm not really into that too since the classes are HELLA MORE balanced than before. Though i'd still be for cutting off a god's power while in the city of sigil, but a divine character still works fine in there
Doesn't really make sense concerning the divine character. His powersource is his god, cut that off and his powers shouldn't work. Makes logical sense.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:18PM
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XunValDorl_of_HouseKilsek
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Explain to me how it could logically be cut off and still leave a character perfectly functional.
Actually a good deal of Martial and Primal guys would look at the antipowersource zone, laugh, and start beating face with their executioner's axe. Whereas the afforementioned "Go watch TV while your character fails" would still largely affect spellcasters (You can still attack with your dagger though. Eh? Wanna do 1d4 damage with a +3 to hit against 20 AC?)
Well half your level plus melee training and that Wizard can do some nice to hit and damage.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:19PM
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That's why some rogues can turn invisible by standing still in plain sight
That sort of invisibility is metaphorical. Some sort of distraction or impairment to the enemy's perceptions have made the Rogue effectiely invisible.
And how about those warlords, huh? Not only can they seal up sword wounds by shouting
They can't. HP is more than physical well-being. The Warlord's Inspiring Word does just that, inspire. It's morale.
...and fighters can taunt every enemy within 15' so that they rush adjacent to him to get smacked...
...some of them are so clever they can make every enemy on the field go stand where they want them too.
Just because some specific powers were designed questionably doesn't mean anything about a whole powersource.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:21PM
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Well half your level plus melee training and that Wizard can do some nice to hit and damage.
True, but I'm of the mindset that the DM should bend the campaign around the character builds (or remain neutral) rather than the player having to potentially waste a feat on the off chance that their DM is going to arbitrarily say that they're now a 3.5 fighter (Minus the durability and relevant feats) for the rest of the session or whatever the case may be.
They can't. HP is more than physical well-being. The Warlord's Inspiring Word does just that, inspire. It's morale.
I like my flavor better. It heals up wounds, but because you're just that awesome rather than any supernatural effect.
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Everything is better when you read it in Bane's voice.
Your human antics and desire to continue living have moved me. Just kidding. You cannot move me physically or emotionally. Wall humor.
Copy effects work like a photocopy machine: you get a copy of the 'naked' card, NOT of what's on it.
Funny story:
InQuest Magazine (I think it was InQuest) had an oversized Chaos Orb which I totally rooked someone into allowing into a (non-sanctioned) game.
I had a proxy card that was a Mountain with "Chaos Orb" written on it. When I played it, my opponent cried foul:
Him: "WTF? a Proxy? no-one said anything about Proxies. Do you even own an actual Chaos Orb?"
Me: "Yes, but I thought it would be better to use a Proxy."
Him: "No way. If you're going to put a Chaos Orb in your deck you have to use your actual Chaos Orb."
Me: "*Sigh*. Okay."
I pulled out this huge Chaos Orb and placed it on the table. He tried to cry foul again but everyone else said he insisted I use my actual Chaos Orb and that was my actual Chaos Orb. I used it, flipped it and wiped most of his board.
Unsurprisingly, that only worked once and only because everyone present thought it was hilarious.
My DM on Battleminds:
no, see i can kill defenders, but 8 consecutive crits on a battlemind, eh walk it off.
Hi guys! So, I'm a sort of returning player to Magic. I say sort of because as a child I had two main TCG's I liked. Yu-Gi-Oh, and Pokemon. Some of my friends branched off in to Magic, and I bought two pre-made decks just to kind of fit in. Like I said, Yu-Gi-Oh and Pokemon were what I really knew how to play. I have a extensive knowledge of deck building in those two TCG's. However, as far as Magic is concerned, I only ever used those two pre made decks. I know how the game is played, and I know general things, but now I want to get in the game for real. I want to begin playing it as a regular. My question is, are all cards ever released from the time of the inception of this game until present day fair game in a deck? Or are there special rules? Are some cards forbidden or restricted? Thanks guys, and I will gladly accept ANY help lol.
I have the same problem with women.
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And that's why you should never, ever call RP Jesus on being a troll, because then everyone else playing along gets outed, too, and the thread goes back to being boring.
See, this is why RPJesus should be in charge of the storyline. The novel line would never have been cancelled if he had been running the show. Specifically the Slobad and Geth's Head talkshow he just described.
Not only was that an obligatory joke, it was an on-topic post that still managed to be off-topic due to thread derailment. RP Jesus does it again folks.
I think I'm gonna' start praying to Jesus... That's right, RPJesus, I'm gonna' be praying to you, right now.
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Please continue to make my time here on the forums fun and cause me to chuckle.
Amen.
It was wonderful. Us Johnnies had a field day. That Timmy with the Grizzly bears would actually have to think about swinging into your Mogg Fanatic , giving you time to set up your silly combo . Nowadays it's all DERPSWING! with thier blue jeans and their MP3 players and their EM EM OH AR PEE JEES and their "Dewmocracy" and their children's card games and their Jersey Shores and their Tattooed Tenaged Vampire Hunters from Beverly Hills
Seriously, that was amazing. I laughed my *ss off. Made my day, and I just woke up.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 02, 2009 - 8:22PM
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This reminds me of the debate on whether or not it shoud be ok for divine spellcasters to lose their powers when they break commandments. I say no, others disagree. Should anti magic be in 4e? I say no, others will disagree.
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