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4 years ago ::
Nov 08, 2009 - 1:12AM
#71
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Oct 26, 2008
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EDITED: DISREGARD! I used to think adding a damage type added the keyword.... but now I don't.
Armor of Burning WrathHeroic Tier
Prerequisite: Invoker, Covenant of Wrath class feature
Benefit: Your armor of wrath power deals fire and radiant damage and gains the fire keyword. The target of your armor of wrath power takes a -1 penalty to saving throws until the end of your next turn. First published in Divine Power.
.... unless this power is meant specifically to deal radiant damage but not get the keyword. There is a Paragon Path that does something similar to this. Interesting....
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4 years ago ::
Nov 08, 2009 - 8:36AM
#72
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Oct 11, 2007
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Armor of Wrath naturally has the Radiant keyword and deals radiant damage. It doesn't need to gain the keyword again.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 08, 2009 - 8:43AM
#73
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Oct 26, 2008
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Shoot me in the head.... dang late night posting....
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4 years ago ::
Nov 08, 2009 - 4:55PM
#74
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Apr 16, 2009
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Say I'm immune to Fire or Illusion. If someone casts a spell on me that happens to have the keyword, it doesn't damage me no matter what kind of damage is dealt. Resistances aside, I don't have it backwards at all.
That isn't correct for Fire. Immune to Fire will only prevent fire damage. If a power has the Fire keyword and the Cold keyword, and does 10 Fire damage followed by 10 Cold damage, you still take the Cold damage. If a power has the Fire keyword (only) and does 10 untyped damage, you take 10 damage. If a power has the Cold keyword (only) and does 10 fire damage, you will take 0 damage. {Of course its rare for powers to not have the appropriate keyword.}
And if the power normally does 10 Fire damage, while another power or feat says that its damage is also Cold - that is, it still does only 10 damage but that damage is both Fire and Cold - then Fire resistance 10 means you take 10 Cold damage.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 09, 2009 - 12:04PM
#75
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Feb 25, 2009
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PHB rules should specify damage, not keyword (I forget the exact page, but it is in the combat chapter under damage I think). Also, the MM2 quote that suoit referenced explains in more detail how immunities work for effects and damage, and that they only effect the damage portion if referencing a damage keyword, or the non-damage portion if referencing an effect keywords. Breakdown of which keyword is which type is on PHB Page 55 (I think).
community.wizards.com/go/thread/view/758... "Further, my understanding about keywords comes from PHB p55: "A power that deals acid damage is an acid effect and thus has the acid keyword." Also, "If a power allows you to choose the damage type, the power then has that keyword for feats, resistances, and any other information that applies."" That has since been made incorrect. There are powers that have been created that do a certain type of damage and don't have that keyword. Having the damage type does not grant the keyword unless specified.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 09, 2009 - 2:52PM
#76
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Say I'm immune to Fire or Illusion. If someone casts a spell on me that happens to have the keyword, it doesn't damage me no matter what kind of damage is dealt. Resistances aside, I don't have it backwards at all.
That isn't correct for Fire. Immune to Fire will only prevent fire damage. If a power has the Fire keyword and the Cold keyword, and does 10 Fire damage followed by 10 Cold damage, you still take the Cold damage. If a power has the Fire keyword (only) and does 10 untyped damage, you take 10 damage. If a power has the Cold keyword (only) and does 10 fire damage, you will take 0 damage. {Of course its rare for powers to not have the appropriate keyword.}
And if the power normally does 10 Fire damage, while another power or feat says that its damage is also Cold - that is, it still does only 10 damage but that damage is both Fire and Cold - then Fire resistance 10 means you take 10 Cold damage.
I'd argue that the power is still dealing 10 fire and cold damage and that any feats/items that require dealing fire damage could trigger, i.e Arcane Fire or Astral Fire.
I'm trying to say that the immunity doesn't wipe away the keyword for other purposes.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 09, 2009 - 3:34PM
#77
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Jan 24, 2009
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There are powers that have been created that do a certain type of damage and don't have that keyword.
I call shenanigans. Can anyone produce a citation for a power that does this?
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4 years ago ::
Nov 09, 2009 - 5:12PM
#78
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Jun 15, 2004
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There are powers that have been created that do a certain type of damage and don't have that keyword.
I call shenanigans. Can anyone produce a citation for a power that does this?
Fleeting Dweomer
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4 years ago ::
Nov 09, 2009 - 5:17PM
#79
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Oct 11, 2007
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Fleeting Dweomer doesn't deal damage.
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4 years ago ::
Nov 09, 2009 - 5:36PM
#80
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Jun 15, 2004
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Fleeting Dweomer doesn't deal damage.
That's a semantic point, so...
Suoitidure: what are you looking for? fwiw: Frost weapons can also do cold damage on a crit without having the cold keyword... but semantically that is not a "power".
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