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Oct 29, 2009 -- 9:09AM, ChainLink wrote:

Oct 28, 2009 -- 11:36PM, ChaosMage wrote:

If you get a damage change from a property or feat that doesn't specifically add a keyword (some do), then you don't get the keyword, though.

Wizards's FAQ says otherwise.

 

14. When do a Magic Item's keywords apply? If you use a magic item's power in conjunction with a power granted to you by your race or class, that item's keywords are added to the regular keywords of the power you are using. For example, if you have a Flaming Weapon, and you use an at-will power to attack an enemy along with the at-will power of the Flaming Weapon, your attack will have the Fire keyword in addition to the normal keywords of your attack. You have to be using the powers of the weapon for those keywords to be added; simply using the magic item does not necessarily mean every keyword attached to a power of that item will be added.

 

Replace Flaming Weapon with Radiant Weapon, and Fire with Radiant, and there you have it.

Did you read my entire post?  That's what I said in the first sentence.  The second sentence covers things that don't come from magic item powers with keywords; those need to specifically grant the keyword.  Feats and magic item properties, not being magic item powers, will not automatically grant a keyword.

Oct 29, 2009 -- 9:58AM, ChainLink wrote:

Oct 29, 2009 -- 9:22AM, ChaosMage wrote:

Did you read my entire post?  That's what I said in the first sentence.  The second sentence covers things that don't come from magic item powers with keywords; those need to specifically grant the keyword.  Feats and magic item properties, not being magic item powers, will not automatically grant a keyword.

 

Check out PH pg 55:

 

The other keywords define the fundamental effects of a power. For instance, a power that deals acid damage is an acid effect and thus has the acid keyword. A power that has the poison keyword might deal poison damage, or it might slow the target, immobilize the target, or stun the target. But the poison keyword indicates that it’s a poison effect, and other rules in the game relate to that fact in different ways.

 

The damage type begets the keyword. An attack that is doing Radiant damage, regardless of why, has the Radiant keyword.

 

That's already been addressed:

Oct 28, 2009 -- 10:53PM, ChaosMage wrote:

Oct 28, 2009 -- 9:13PM, gwydion9 wrote:

Also see phb page 55.  This works for anything that adds a damage type to an attack, such as an ability gained through a feat or PP.  If the power does damage type X, and X has a corresponding keyword, the power is considered to have keyword X.  Period.

 

That requires taking half of a sentence out of context of the rest of the sentence, the rest of the paragraph, and the section its in.  The sentence is an explaination of how to read keywords on existing powers, not instructions to change keywords if damage types change.

Why isn't it a defining rule? What leads you to that conclusion?

"For instance" doesn't mean that the following isn't always true (ie, defining). "For instance" precedes an example, aka an instance, that illustrates the previous statement.

Regardless, we have one thing that suggests that damage = keyword, and absolutely nothing that suggests otherwise.

Oct 29, 2009 -- 10:28AM, ChainLink wrote:

Why isn't it a defining rule? What leads you to that conclusion?

 

"For instance" doesn't mean that the following isn't always true (ie, defining). "For instance" precedes an example, aka an instance, that illustrates the previous statement.

 

Regardless, we have one thing that suggests that damage = keyword, and absolutely nothing that suggests otherwise.

It's not a defining rule because, as you say, it's an example that illustrates the previous statement; the previous statement would have to say something like "altering or adding a damage type changes the keyword" for the example to mean what you say it means.

Oct 29, 2009 -- 10:31AM, ChainLink wrote:

Oct 29, 2009 -- 10:25AM, ChaosMage wrote:

Since interpreting it as you do requires taking half a sentence out of context of not only the section and paragraph its part of but of the actual sentence its part of, it's clearly not correct.  Once you put it in that context (and in particular, don't throw out half the sentence), it's clearly explanatory text on how to read a power and a power's keywords, not instructions on altering keywords.

But why is it so that, because it's part of another section, it can't be applied anywhere else?

Context matters.  A rule about altering keywords could certainly exist in a section on reading keywords, but it would certainly need to say that you should alter keywords rather than being an example text in a paragraph about reading keywords.  If the preceding sentence was along the lines of the sentence on altering I wrote above, then the example would mean what you want it to mean; since the preceding sentence is nothing of the sort, it doesn't mean what you want it to mean.

As such, the only general rule we have on adding a keyword to a power is on page 226, dealing with the general rule off adding the keywords of a magic item power to those of a power you use that magic item power with.  There are also some specific things that specify the keyword is altered- Arcane Admixture, for instance.  Without a rule specifically telling us to add or alter a keyword, we don't do it; "the rules don't say I can't" isn't a good enough reason.