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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:04PM
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In some crit-fisher builds I've seen, they've talked about going for Student of Caiphon to get crits on 18-20 with radiant powers then using a Radiant Weapon to turn twin strike (or storm of blades or whatever) into a radiant attack. As I see it, the radiant weapon makes the damage radiant, but does not give the power the radiant keyword, and so this would not work, correct? And if this does work, doesn't the Brilliant Energy Weapon make more sense, as it has d10s for crit die?
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:26PM
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The At-Will power on the item has the Radiant keyword so it adds that keyword to attack powers used through the weapon. Same as a Flaming Weapon adding the Fire keyword to attacks. If you're going to be making a lot of attacks, I'm sure the number crunchers have found that adding the enhancement bonus of the weapon to damage rolls leads to more damage overall than the higher crit die of the Brilliant Energy Weapon.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:51PM
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The At-Will power on the item has the Radiant keyword so it adds that keyword to attack powers used through the weapon. Same as a Flaming Weapon adding the Fire keyword to attacks.
I don't get that reading: it changes the damage, yes. Nowhere does it say it adds a keyword. It doesn't make powers used with it "radiant powers" as would be needed to qualify for the paragon path's feature. I suppose it's worded a bit less specifically than the similar feature of Radiant Servant, but that would still be my interpretation.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 4:54PM
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Anytime a weapon adds a specific type of damage to a power, that power gains the related keyword. This is how the Wintertouched, Lasting Frost combo works. Phb p. 226: Like racial powers and class powers, magic item powers often have keywords that indicate their damage or effect types. When you use a magic item as part of a racial power or a class power, the keywords of the item’s power and the other power all apply. For instance, if a paladin uses a flaming sword to attack with a power that deals radiant damage, the power deals both fire damage and radiant damage.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 5:36PM
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One of the reasons sunblades are so good.
Sergent at arms of the house of trolls.
Est Solarus oth Mithas
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 9:13PM
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Also see phb page 55. This works for anything that adds a damage type to an attack, such as an ability gained through a feat or PP. If the power does damage type X, and X has a corresponding keyword, the power is considered to have keyword X. Period.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 10:53PM
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Also see phb page 55. This works for anything that adds a damage type to an attack, such as an ability gained through a feat or PP. If the power does damage type X, and X has a corresponding keyword, the power is considered to have keyword X. Period.
That requires taking half of a sentence out of context of the rest of the sentence, the rest of the paragraph, and the section its in. The sentence is an explaination of how to read keywords on existing powers, not instructions to change keywords if damage types change.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 11:12PM
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Also see phb page 55. This works for anything that adds a damage type to an attack, such as an ability gained through a feat or PP. If the power does damage type X, and X has a corresponding keyword, the power is considered to have keyword X. Period.
That requires taking half of a sentence out of context of the rest of the sentence, the rest of the paragraph, and the section its in. The sentence is an explaination of how to read keywords on existing powers, not instructions to change keywords if damage types change.
Yeah, but Samrin's quote is kosher. I'm not ready to proclaim damage = keywords in every case, but weapons -> powers seems to be RAW.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 28, 2009 - 11:36PM
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Yeah, but Samrin's quote is kosher. I'm not ready to proclaim damage = keywords in every case, but weapons -> powers seems to be RAW.
Not disputing that; you definitely pick up the keyword when you use an item power that has a keyword with an attack. If you get a damage change from a property or feat that doesn't specifically add a keyword (some do), then you don't get the keyword, though.
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4 years ago ::
Oct 29, 2009 - 9:09AM
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If you get a damage change from a property or feat that doesn't specifically add a keyword (some do), then you don't get the keyword, though.
Wizards's FAQ says otherwise. 14. When do a Magic Item's keywords apply? If you use a magic item's power in conjunction with a power granted to you by your race or class, that item's keywords are added to the regular keywords of the power you are using. For example, if you have a Flaming Weapon, and you use an at-will power to attack an enemy along with the at-will power of the Flaming Weapon, your attack will have the Fire keyword in addition to the normal keywords of your attack. You have to be using the powers of the weapon for those keywords to be added; simply using the magic item does not necessarily mean every keyword attached to a power of that item will be added. Replace Flaming Weapon with Radiant Weapon, and Fire with Radiant, and there you have it.
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